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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tututotutut] * 1
    #27274219 - 03/29/21 10:07 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

The assumption is that it can dry out and get colonized by contams?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 1
    #27274364 - 03/29/21 12:05 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think it matters as long as the grain is indeed fully colonized. The second you open that jar and dump into into a tub of coir, you've likely already introduced it to trichoderma and a plethora of other mold spores. The fact is, mold spores are all around us at any given second. It wouldn't be possible to spawn a tub and not have some type of mold spore in there somewhere unless you were spawning tubs in a clean room/lab setting. Did you know that now days, black mold is thought to be as harmless as any other mold spore? It causes allergy like symptoms in the young, elderly and people with compromised immune systems.

If the grain is fully colonized then there won't be any nutrients left for anything else to latch onto and feed off of.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #27274375 - 03/29/21 12:20 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Are the blotched mushrooms safe to eat or must throw them away? Like the one in second pic


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tututotutut] * 1
    #27274423 - 03/29/21 12:54 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Id just cut the bad parts out and throw in the drier :thumbup:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #27274497 - 03/29/21 01:45 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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If the grain is fully colonized then there won't be any nutrients left for anything else to latch onto and feed off of.




If the grain is fully colonized (covered with healthy mycelium) the mycelium will wage biological war against competing organisms.

That said I most always add a casing layer. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27274529 - 03/29/21 02:12 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Ok I'm chewing up the two caps I used for spores now. I remember yesterday morning eating a few gs of it fresh and it having a fishy taste but being kinda potent... some nausea lol... i should probably be more careful


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tututotutut]
    #27274544 - 03/29/21 02:25 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Dry or tea if ever in doubt


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa] * 2
    #27274576 - 03/29/21 02:47 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I wouldn’t call exposed grains a vector but I’ve never had a grain exposed tub outperform one with a top layer.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Just_A_Noob]
    #27274746 - 03/29/21 04:49 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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I wouldn’t call exposed grains a vector but I’ve never had a grain exposed tub outperform one with a top layer.



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27274773 - 03/29/21 05:09 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

If I had to guess, the idea of exposed grains causing contains might have happened to someone who didnt have fully colonized grains 9n the top that did indeed get contaminated and led to trich or whatever else. Then they just associated exposed grains and contains and the rumor spread.

I have had a couple tubs with exposed grains that looked perfectly healthy albeit they didn't perform well. I always use a top layer/casing for sure but some people have great success without it. Everyone's conditions are different.

Reminds me of modded vs unmodded tubs, some people have great work with unmodded. I did not and my tubs were far to wet and got far to dry when I cracked the lid.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: lookintolearn]
    #27274781 - 03/29/21 05:12 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe it stems from a more sound idea, the idea that you don't spawn a uncolonized jar - WITH the uncolonized bits.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27274871 - 03/29/21 06:42 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Idk obviously colonized grains are pretty sturdy but I could see some weird mold landing on exposed grain and eating into it or something.


Either way having the food source exposed can only make it easier for things to go bad.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: lookintolearn]
    #27274878 - 03/29/21 06:50 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Everyone's conditions are different...
...Reminds me of modded vs unmodded tubs, some people have great work with unmodded. I did not and my tubs were far to wet and got far to dry when I cracked the lid.



In a whole different space now with slightly different climate. I had tye same problems with unmodded tubs. Gonna try again though. Wud be less work.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27275081 - 03/29/21 09:43 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Healthy living mycelium will defend the grain it has colonized. Bad conditions may lead to that exposed grain drying out, letting the mycelium on it either die outright or become vulnerable to parasitic fungi like Trichoderma. Without healthy mycelium protecting the grain you now have exposed food for competitors.
I see it plain as day with my unbottles when I see contaminations take root it's never on the top of the bottles that received a casing at spawn of CVG but always on the sides once they are birthed where the grain is exposed.

A.k.a has it correct.

A thin layer of CVG overtop your grains takes no time at all. Those grains are only protected if the mycelium is healthy/alive. It makes no sense not to.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #27275145 - 03/29/21 11:09 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Jst washed all my new jars and plastic lids.
Yall modify these plastic lids, right? Doesnt seem good to jst crack them open a bit b4 PC and tighten them when removing from PC. I figure water wud get in them at the very least. They were damn expensive is why im double checking on the protocol.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27275146 - 03/29/21 11:11 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

i don't modify my lids anymore just open them slightly when pcing


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: kanemush]
    #27275159 - 03/29/21 11:40 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Meh, i dropped my purse and did some quick research.
Unmodded plastic lids not better than modded lids. Balls...now imma have to modify all them bastards.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #27275161 - 03/29/21 11:42 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Either way having the food source exposed can only make it easier for things to go bad.





That's how I look at it. And the sub doesn't get stronger as time goes on.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #27275421 - 03/30/21 07:26 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Healthy living mycelium will defend the grain it has colonized. Bad conditions may lead to that exposed grain drying out, letting the mycelium on it either die outright or become vulnerable to parasitic fungi like Trichoderma. Without healthy mycelium protecting the grain you now have exposed food for competitors.
I see it plain as day with my unbottles when I see contaminations take root it's never on the top of the bottles that received a casing at spawn of CVG but always on the sides once they are birthed where the grain is exposed.

A.k.a has it correct.

A thin layer of CVG overtop your grains takes no time at all. Those grains are only protected if the mycelium is healthy/alive. It makes no sense not to.




Im curious, when do most of you apply the top layer, before sub is colonized or after like a casing? Because if it's thin then mycelium will colonize it and it will be as if you never had a casing at all, just protected grains. I do top layering before colonization and the surface is snow white and I don't case again.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
    #27275437 - 03/30/21 07:35 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Healthy living mycelium will defend the grain it has colonized. Bad conditions may lead to that exposed grain drying out, letting the mycelium on it either die outright or become vulnerable to parasitic fungi like Trichoderma. Without healthy mycelium protecting the grain you now have exposed food for competitors.
I see it plain as day with my unbottles when I see contaminations take root it's never on the top of the bottles that received a casing at spawn of CVG but always on the sides once they are birthed where the grain is exposed.

A.k.a has it correct.

A thin layer of CVG overtop your grains takes no time at all. Those grains are only protected if the mycelium is healthy/alive. It makes no sense not to.




Im curious, when do most of you apply the top layer, before sub is colonized or after like a casing? Because if it's thin then mycelium will colonize it and it will be as if you never had a casing at all, just protected grains. I do top layering before colonization and the surface is snow white and I don't case again.




I, like most people here who use a CVG top layer just apply it at spawning and be done with it. Works a treat. I don't grow anything that can blob like PE so the method works well. Some people don't do it at all and have good results but usually those that don't are people like bod who I don't doubt always maintains good surface conditions and thus his exposed grains mycelium is most likely healthy and the risk is negligible ergo he sees it as a useless endeavor.


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