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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
#27263285 - 03/21/21 01:32 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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They don't contam from replacing tape?
Okay faht, let's say I run a lot of unmodded lids, would poking a hole and adding microspore past inoculation work more than not?
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Pf cakes? Not likely.. the verm barrier is there.. quickly replacing some tape on the lid holes isn’t going to cause contamination 99% of the time.. that’s also why I wait til there’s decent growth under the inoculation holes before doing so. It could happen, sure.
Unmodded lids only require loosening the lid a tad for GE as per pasty.. adding a hole after they’ve been inoculated sounds like a bad idea.. especially drilling one. Or are you still talking about cakes? How’d you inoculate? Either way, loosening the lid would work in that situation as well, but poking a hole through the metal lid would be safer than when I thought you were talking about grain jars.. and probably doable.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
#27263440 - 03/21/21 03:46 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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For grain jars yes,
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Can a mod read through my bullshit linked in my sig and move it to the mush cult or getting started forum? I'm starting to realize it's not totally idiotic and could help both new and experienced growers.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wall.E]
#27264961 - 03/22/21 06:33 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27264964 - 03/22/21 06:37 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Feasoghorm said: Prolly jst helped you maintain microclimate.
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Sherlock Shrooms said: Hey guys. I've shared some of my struggles here and also made my own threads over the past few years. I went through everything many times, different grains, bucket tek vs pasteurization, pc times, substrates, testing all my sterile work with blank transfers, etc.. and kept continuously getting shit results. My plates and spawn were very clean the whole time. None of the experiments made even the the slightest difference. I just kept continuously losing everything, I don't know how I stuck with it. I'd lose everything near the end of the first flush or at the very beginning of the 2nd flush, consistently for 3 years in a row with over a dozen different strains. It was literally the most frustrating and disheartening thing I've ever experienced.
So I solved the problem and I'd love some feedback to what you guys think it might of been. I began using an alkaline pete/verm casing and I shit you not that I'm getting 3 full flushes from every single tub I make with every different strain I grow. And yet the only reason why I can imagine a PH adjusted casing solving all my problems is, well... maybe you guys could help me figure out wtf has been happening. Any ideas?
I really think that fruiting conditions could be a culprit as well and is a very overlooked thing that can lead to contam and poor results. Too wet, too dry, not enough fae, too much fae, rapid temp or humidity swings, and so on. I've found in certain situations a different casing can react better and isn't affected as easily(or even thrives) by those conditional factors. Strains can be picky about those factors as well. Also EYA enlightened me that clean spawn when poorly prepped (overly wet)can be a culprit as well.
of coarse dirty spawn is always possible but I've spent way too much time thinking my clean ass spawn was the issue. It really was fruiting conditions for me(and possibly some poorly prepped grain).
That being said I still haven't mastered a monotub in my conditions to be able to produce consistently all year round without monitoring them very closely. I live in the desert but I have recently added a very powerful humidifier to try to help maintain proper monotub conditions. And I think it's working very well so far. I highly recomend anyone in a dryer climate to humidify their fruiting spaces. I've tried to a very small extent in the past but never noticed a difference until I gave it a try with a cheap 6" fan and 3 or so foggers running at once.
I honestly want to be able to set my montubs or any fruitng substrate and forget them from day 1 until harvest if at all possible. And use the simplest sub recipe(straight coir), fruit at spawning with a top layer and that is it. just provide proper conditions. and so be it if yours is using a certain type of casing layer.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tombosley8]
#27265395 - 03/23/21 03:00 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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How much LC to LC?
And thoughts on a double shake for grain jars?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla]
#27265428 - 03/23/21 04:27 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I never messed with lc, but I usually shake grain jars twice.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla]
#27265499 - 03/23/21 06:06 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Guerrilla said: How much LC to LC?
And thoughts on a double shake for grain jars?
It shouldn't take much, been digging the SSLC lately, loving it actually. Yeah, I do 2 shakes, sometimes 3.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#27265532 - 03/23/21 06:47 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Geinstein]
#27265883 - 03/23/21 11:09 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have this fear with my bags colonizing. That the exterior colonizes faster than the center(perhaps because of condensation), and I'll spawn it before its fully colonized.
This fear has gotten worse since switching to millet. I can barely see the mycelia. I prep on the dry side (12hr room temp soak). I wait a day and a half after fully colonized (on the outside)(11 days total). When I break the bag apart and study it, its so hard for me to tell! (unlike wheat)
Anyone else had this fear?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27265888 - 03/23/21 11:14 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you shake your jars then why would the outside colonize before the inside?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: DERRAYLD]
#27265903 - 03/23/21 11:22 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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DERRAYLD said: If you shake your jars then why would the outside colonize before the inside?
Bags
I shake twice. Once at the beginning, once at 50% Its the race to 100% from the outside vs the inside after that second shake that I am concerned with.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tombosley8]
#27265914 - 03/23/21 11:34 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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tombosley8 said: I really think that fruiting conditions could be a culprit as well and is a very overlooked thing that can lead to contam and poor results. Too wet, too dry, not enough fae, too much fae, rapid temp or humidity swings, and so on. I've found in certain situations a different casing can react better and isn't affected as easily(or even thrives) by those conditional factors. Strains can be picky about those factors as well. Also EYA enlightened me that clean spawn when poorly prepped (overly wet)can be a culprit as well.
of coarse dirty spawn is always possible but I've spent way too much time thinking my clean ass spawn was the issue. It really was fruiting conditions for me(and possibly some poorly prepped grain).
 My shit contammed all day until I got my fruiting conditions right. It's more about giving the myc ideal conditions to claim the whole sub before anything else does. Proper fae, humidity, constant temp, evaporation.. These are the focuses that will help avoid contams. It's a rather simple hobby, usually it's the basic shit that goes wrong, probably not the PH of the casing.
My sig link has some good troubleshooting and food for thought
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Vinci]
#27266173 - 03/23/21 02:03 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm sick of waiting hours for my coir to cool.. Do people really skip pasteurization with 100% coir?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CapMeh]
#27266176 - 03/23/21 02:04 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yep. If I’m in a rush I’ll boil like 2/3 of the water and dump that in and let it sit for 10-30 mins then add the last 1/3 as cold water to cool it all down.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CapMeh]
#27266178 - 03/23/21 02:05 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yep.
Aka beat me to it
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wall.E]
#27266193 - 03/23/21 02:14 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice weather today. Couldnt resit laying grains out to dry and spawning of tubs in the wonderful sun
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CapMeh]
#27266248 - 03/23/21 02:59 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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CapMeh said: I'm sick of waiting hours for my coir to cool.. Do people really skip pasteurization with 100% coir?
I do straight hot tap water a lot of the time these days. If I have more time available I do it the way aka mentioned. But if I'm spawning a ton of tubs in limited time I just use all hot tap water instead of boiling.
Never had an issue that couldn't be traced back to bad spawn.
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