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Mandarim
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
#27244289 - 03/09/21 02:30 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yup lots of things I don't know cause I didn't live through them. I started with this during lockdown, home office is here to stay it seems, no more those frequent travels. Still just hate the shoebox ugliness. They don't match the mushrooms.
I always thought that winter would be easier than summer.. temps here reach 40C and it's way more difficult to cool than to heat. While I over complicate I still have a room filled with shoe boxes wich I hate. Make no mistake.. this horse is not dead  It's ok, I think we all need to be occupied with something these days and I'm enjoying that's what it counts.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
#27244405 - 03/09/21 05:19 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey ltlurker
Is it the worst idea ever to put the jar directly to fruit?
I've read that's possible but not sure that will be a big waste?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mandarim]
#27244658 - 03/09/21 08:52 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm not sure what you mean by put it directly to fruit? Once a jar is colonized you can top fruit it straight out of the jar no problem. There's not much you can do before it's colonized, you need spawn to stay sterile until it's fully colonized.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker] 1
#27244913 - 03/09/21 12:01 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Let's get cracking
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27244924 - 03/09/21 12:12 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Regular mouth half pints are a poor choice because the tall jar allows for gravity to compress the substrate over time at the bottom. This causes the last bit at the bottom to stall regardless of the presence of bacteria.
I read that if you turn the jars upside down it might help colonize the bottoms. I wonder if if turning them upside down will restrict or impede the gas exchange?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BondVillain]
#27244934 - 03/09/21 12:20 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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BondVillain said:
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Pastywhyte said: Regular mouth half pints are a poor choice because the tall jar allows for gravity to compress the substrate over time at the bottom. This causes the last bit at the bottom to stall regardless of the presence of bacteria.
I read that if you turn the jars upside down it might help colonize the bottoms. I wonder if if turning them upside down will restrict or impede the gas exchange?
I only did PF tek once but I tried the flip trick on 2 of 4 that were behind because of the bottoms. The 2 I didn't flip beat the ones I did. It may work but didn't for me. After one PF tek, I was hooked and went to agar and grain and rest is history.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#27244938 - 03/09/21 12:24 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I do pf tek all the time and use tall jars. I don't have a problem with a compacted bottom unless i did something like make it too wet or compress too much for the dry verm layer.
Turning upside down is worse. If enough condensation runs down, it can ruin the dry verm. Plus the disruption in the layer when you actually flip it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
#27244981 - 03/09/21 12:59 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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This seems like the best thread to ask this question, so here I go.
When is a clone culture no longer a clone?
Let me breakdown the scenario. Say I take a clone and put it to agar. After that I take several transfers. Then say, after 3 or 4 transfers, I put several plates to different lc jars. I then use only a small amount of lc per grow cycle. Have I not taken a diverse culture and narrowed down its genetics several times, basically turning several cultures into separate cultures?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27244987 - 03/09/21 01:03 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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What if people started prepping jars with a 2 mm dry coir or verm layer,I bet it would help a lot of people to avoid stall and bind moisture of the grains, away from the nutrition.
Avoiding the bottom pool
I've been experimenting with small amounts of tissue paper and this for the situation too wet grains. Nothing to report yet
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27245013 - 03/09/21 01:14 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psst! Click the link in my siggy!
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Iambrownbear said: This seems like the best thread to ask this question, so here I go.
When is a clone culture no longer a clone?
Let me breakdown the scenario. Say I take a clone and put it to agar. After that I take several transfers. Then say, after 3 or 4 transfers, I put several plates to different lc jars. I then use only a small amount of lc per grow cycle. Have I not taken a diverse culture and narrowed down its genetics several times, basically turning several cultures into separate cultures?
I think all cultures from a clone are clone cultures, but one clone can have many clone cultures.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Vinci]
#27245062 - 03/09/21 01:48 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry, Vinci. I read the page in your sig twice and saw nothing relating to the subject of clones and genetic diversity except when it came to potency and trip experience.
My thought is that when you select a fruit for cloning, you are selecting it based on certain criteria such as size, potency and cluster formation. But the more transfers you make, the less likely it is to have all of those same traits because you are taking a diverse set of genetics and narrowing them down with every transfer you make. So the chances of actually growing the fruit that you cloned isn't likely. I could be completely wrong, which is why posed the question.
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smalltalk_canceled said: What if people started prepping jars with a 2 mm dry coir or verm layer,I bet it would help a lot of people to avoid stall and bind moisture of the grains, away from the nutrition.
Avoiding the bottom pool
I've been experimenting with small amounts of tissue paper and this for the situation too wet grains. Nothing to report yet
The tek I followed when I first started had me just cover the bottom of the jar with verm before loading with grain. It worked ok but it’s way better to just learn the grain prep. I had a few where it seemed like the verm sucked up a ton of water and the jar slowed until I shook it and redistributed the soaked verm.
Plus it gets glued all over the side of the jars.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27245110 - 03/09/21 02:12 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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BrownBear - That's why i dnt fuck with clones too much, or why i prefer to take the least amount of transfers possible from spore. Genetic ocean is where it's at. Every clone ive run was mega fucked in many ways.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#27245150 - 03/09/21 02:29 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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So you have had better results with ms than you have had with clones?
I guess the real motivation behind my question is I am not sure how much credit I can actually give myself for the canopies that I grow. I was given clones that were from various transfers. I have made various transfers myself before growing them out. Do I credit my results to the one who did the work with the clones or have I created the perfect fruiting environment for these cultures to grow? The only ms culture that I have grown to date so far are toc but they are known to be prolific fruiters from ms.
Don't get me wrong. I appreciate this person and what they have done for me and I have mad respect for them. However, my goal is to become the best cultivator that I can be. Good news is I have a few ms cultures on grain right now so I should know soon enough.
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smalltalk_canceled said: So spring = forget it?
Is there no reports of people finding azur in spring
Always looking for the definitive answer.
I'm in good shape regardless if this can be w2w (???) To make more spawn, and outdoor bed on my terace suspect that will fail
There's also a infamous thread about a guy taking it in and out of the refrigerator and getting fruits. I'm not going that route but it was a consideration early in the thought process.
The most conservative approach would be to amass a lot of spawn regardless
Also working with luteoviridis and serbica, maybe I'll run a thread with the spawn I make
I've fruited Ps cyan in an adapted fridge in the garage in the summer- not a lot of harvest but worked quite well...until it didn't. Sorry no pics unless they're slides somewhere in a box. 
Outdoor is the way to go if you have the right climate.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PrimalSoup] 1
#27245174 - 03/09/21 02:39 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think it’s both bear.
You gotta have a solid culture and great conditions to pull tubs like those.
I’d say it’s a team effort in that case. You can’t have one without the other.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] 1
#27245183 - 03/09/21 02:42 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Omg now they are declaring cloning dead after killing isolation transfers!
What will be left of this hobby when they are done!?
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I am not trying to start any crazy debate, I promise. I'll drop the subject.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27245252 - 03/09/21 03:24 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I cud sleep on top of one of those tubs, bear. Everything is fine, smalltalk. Relax your sphincter.
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