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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nootmuskaat]
#27241305 - 03/07/21 01:21 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I cook grain and hydrate coir in the same 24 qt stockpot. I simply rinse it out in between uses. Never causes me any issues.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hazyhorse]
#27241309 - 03/07/21 01:22 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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hazyhorse said: mario, i’m pretty sure bruising doesn’t indicate potency at all. i’ve read a lot of posts saying the mushrooms didn’t bruise but the batch was super potent
Bluing is no indicator of potency whatsoever. I've had batches bruise almost black, But not a good example because they were strong as shit lol.
It trips me out that you guys mix your shit up like that. I instinctively separate shit out so that the same tubs get used for the same thing.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#27241343 - 03/07/21 02:49 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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is 10 minute venting the PC an absolute must for grain jar sterilization?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Blazer420]
#27241358 - 03/07/21 03:22 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fuckin A! Otherwise there is a significant amount of hot air in the pc instead of steam. Dry temps dont penetrate like wet temps.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Blazer420]
#27241394 - 03/07/21 04:17 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Blazer420 said: is 10 minute venting the PC an absolute must for grain jar sterilization?
All pressure canners, including "self-venting" pressure canners, need to be vented 10 minutes before the pressure is allowed to rise to be certain that all air is removed from the pressure canner. If there is air in the pressure canner, the temperature is much lower than if the canner contains only water and steam. http://pickyourown.org/canningqa_pressure.htm
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#27241442 - 03/07/21 05:31 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hello I'm new here. Where is it best to post a photo of the cultivation i'm doing to look at the quality and identify problems?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shilajit]
#27241443 - 03/07/21 05:33 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Right here probably
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tweeq]
#27241452 - 03/07/21 05:53 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've been struggling with .5 bags. Realize now that .2 bags are a smarter choice, because .5 bags dry out the top grains too much (like waaay too much, not good too much, 1/2 inch tumbling around too much)
Then I realized that if you had a commercial grow space, you could set the .5 bags in the right humidity and get more air exchange.
Wished I knew this a while back.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27241529 - 03/07/21 07:39 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Using metal pots for grain and coir doesn’t worry me but a lot of times I use a 5 gallon bucket and the sides are all scratched up. That makes me nervous. I always rinse and scrub it with soap then let it dry and then wipe it down with iso in between soaking wbs and making coir.
I just started with bags and was having the same problem. I rolled the bag down until only the very bottom of the filter was exposed and that fixed it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] 1
#27241821 - 03/07/21 12:04 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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shilajit said: Hello I'm new here. Where is it best to post a photo of the cultivation i'm doing to look at the quality and identify problems?
We'll help you here or you can start your own thread.
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A.k.a said: Using metal pots for grain and coir doesn’t worry me but a lot of times I use a 5 gallon bucket and the sides are all scratched up. That makes me nervous.
Like cleaning spaghetti out of a plastic tupperware.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#27241893 - 03/07/21 12:59 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Inthepit said:
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Blazer420 said: is 10 minute venting the PC an absolute must for grain jar sterilization?
All pressure canners, including "self-venting" pressure canners, need to be vented 10 minutes before the pressure is allowed to rise to be certain that all air is removed from the pressure canner. If there is air in the pressure canner, the temperature is much lower than if the canner contains only water and steam. http://pickyourown.org/canningqa_pressure.htm 
well fuck... I think I've just figured out why my tubs have been failing... Going to step my game up now... Sick of contams, cant believe I didnt read the venting method till now
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Blazer420]
#27241899 - 03/07/21 01:06 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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As a side note, I'd never run numerous PC's without a thermometer attached to the PC.... help confirm you've bled it enough.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26742520
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27241904 - 03/07/21 01:12 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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The thing that is confusing me about the venting the PC is, how come I've been running it without venting for my agar plates and those haven't shown any sign of contams? Wouldn't that suggest that it is sterile enough? I guess it is different with grains since it needs to pass through the actual grains through the filter?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27241906 - 03/07/21 01:14 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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1) how do you check for air in the PC?
2) how do you control for incomplete pc sterilizing?
I can only think of two ways:
- control jar (not inoculated) - pattern of mold germination
If it appears everywhere, and not around the agar or grain kernel, does this indicate incomplete pc sterilizing?
Please 🙏 feedback
Edited by smalltalk_canceled (03/07/21 01:15 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Blazer420]
#27241907 - 03/07/21 01:16 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Blazer420 said: The thing that is confusing me about the venting the PC is, how come I've been running it without venting for my agar plates and those haven't shown any sign of contams? Wouldn't that suggest that it is sterile enough? I guess it is different with grains since it needs to pass through the actual grains through the filter?
Agar is very easy to sterilize, as are most liquids. Grains need more exposure to heat to get fully sterilized. The steam really helps. trapping air in there reduces the steam. Filter has nothing to do with it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27241913 - 03/07/21 01:17 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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tedoro said:
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Blazer420 said: The thing that is confusing me about the venting the PC is, how come I've been running it without venting for my agar plates and those haven't shown any sign of contams? Wouldn't that suggest that it is sterile enough? I guess it is different with grains since it needs to pass through the actual grains through the filter?
Agar is very easy to sterilize, as are most liquids. Grains need more exposure to heat to get fully sterilized. The steam really helps. trapping air in there reduces the steam. Filter has nothing to do with it.
Ah I see, thanks for the quick responses.
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smalltalk_canceled said: 1) how do you check for air in the PC?
2) how do you control for incomplete pc sterilizing?
I can only think of two ways:
- control jar (not inoculated) - pattern of mold germination
If it appears everywhere, and not around the agar or grain kernel, does this indicate incomplete pc sterilizing?
Please 🙏 feedback
Great questions.
I confirm no air in the PC by the temp being 250f at 15 degrees. Lower than that and there is air in there.
Control Jars are the shit. do them. Looking at the type of mold and reverse troubleshooting is tricky shit. maybe someone else can chime in.
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Agar is easier to sterilize in liquid form and doesn't need a long at temp. So while a 30min agar run that is not vented may not be at temp for the full 30, it can still be enough to do the job whereas a 90-120 min grain run not vented could leave some of the grain with less than needed time at temp to do the job.
This is my understanding of it anyway and by no means a recommendation to not vent when doing agar.
Ok so this has already been answered but I spend too much time typing it to delete so....
Also, I fully support the control jar discussion. I almost always leave one or 2 jars as controls. Think of it as part of a HACCP plan, a critical control point verification. You can't know something is wrong without some metric or way to gauge the process.
Edited by GypsyBastard (03/07/21 01:27 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27241930 - 03/07/21 01:27 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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tedoro said:
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smalltalk_canceled said: 1) how do you check for air in the PC?
2) how do you control for incomplete pc sterilizing?
I can only think of two ways:
- control jar (not inoculated) - pattern of mold germination
If it appears everywhere, and not around the agar or grain kernel, does this indicate incomplete pc sterilizing?
Please 🙏 feedback
Great questions.
I confirm no air in the PC by the temp being 250f at 15 degrees. Lower than that and there is air in there.
Control Jars are the shit. do them. Looking at the type of mold and reverse troubleshooting is tricky shit. maybe someone else can chime in.

Here's the type of mold jar I mean
This suggests simultaneous germination of mold, not something expand from a contam inoculate
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Edited by smalltalk_canceled (03/07/21 01:30 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27241931 - 03/07/21 01:28 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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"I just started with bags and was having the same problem. I rolled the bag down until only the very bottom of the filter was exposed and that fixed it."
I've been heavily nocing my bags and getting very fast colonization, so I wasn't shaking midway through... but with those .5 bags, I was getting a huge amount of uncolonized kernels on the top. Everyone and their mother said not to worry... but I'm talking about 1/2" of kernels rolling around loose. I ignored it and had early mold in the coir, evenly spread with a visible kernel in the middle of the mold spot. Yikes. Moving to .2 bags and a shake midway through.
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