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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mind.at.large]
    #27240519 - 03/06/21 01:18 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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This is just bruising, right y'all?

I misted this shoebox last night, checked them this morning and saw this blue-ish purple patch. It doesn't seem like mold but I wanted a second opinion.



Sorry dude that’s contamination. Looks like Penicillium




Definitely looks like bruising to me.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #27240552 - 03/06/21 01:51 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Well, looks like filthy got ahold of me. :lol:

Yes, I've gone as far as hydrating substrate with grain boil water. Both straight and diluted.

I can dig up the pics here and get them uploaded and what not. It's gonna take a min to find the pics of the flushes of the GBW tubs. They're mixed in with pics of none GBW tubs. I just gotta look at the time frames and some had some distinct features I remember so I do have examples to show. I know Psilo was getting info as I was doing it.

I have more trials I want to run with it. I just want to get more of the variables locked down a lil tighter.



Im not looking for pics, just info, did you treat it any different than just a bucket ten?



I used the freshly boiled and drained grain water to hydrate my buckets of coir and verm. I put a piece of screen over the top of the bucket to keep pieces of grain out. So yes, aside from the water having grain nutes in it I did everything the same and those fist tubs (6) went just as long as the rest and actually had really nice flushes but I think the evenness of the flush was more so with how I mixed and spread the spawn and sub more than anything.

Next round I did 8 tubs.4 full strength and 4 diluted. The GBW this time seemed darker than the first and the 4 straight ones smelled off from the gate and failed. The diluted ones ran the course. I was getting green by the end of the second flush on both GBW and non-GBW hydrated tubs. So like I said furthur testing needs to be done with less variables to see if it really helps yield at all, contams faster, just saves time and energy boiling water or is too unpredictable. :shrug:

But, that's where I stand on GBW hydrated subs ATM.

So do you need to worry about a slight cross-contamination between your GBW and your sub prep?

My answer: Don't worry too much about it. Things will probably be fine.




I'll leave this here, for discussions sake.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr. Mushie]
    #27240570 - 03/06/21 02:16 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Imagine you successfully hydrated coir with grain water and got a grow without it triching out. Assuming you were able to get 10 grams of solids dissolved into a gallon of water for a 66 quart mono. Assuming you have a culture that can pull 300% Biological Efficiency that would translate into an extra 30 grams of wet fruit which will dry down to 3 grams. That’s what you would get as extra yield, 3 grams and that’s under really ideal and hypothetical circumstances. Juice just wouldn’t be worth the squeeze.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27240643 - 03/06/21 03:33 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe bruising due to contam... its gonna get spores pretty soon.  Ill post a pic of the same thing in a little bit.  Thats a precurser to sporulating mold from what I can see


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27240662 - 03/06/21 03:46 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Imagine you successfully hydrated coir with grain water and got a grow without it triching out. Assuming you were able to get 10 grams of solids dissolved into a gallon of water for a 66 quart mono. Assuming you have a culture that can pull 300% Biological Efficiency that would translate into an extra 30 grams of wet fruit which will dry down to 3 grams. That’s what you would get as extra yield, 3 grams and that’s under really ideal and hypothetical circumstances. Juice just wouldn’t be worth the squeeze.



:whathesaid: 100%

IMO, the nutrition available is almost never the bottleneck, except maybe in super dialed in commercial grows. This is why there are so many cases of excellent yields off coir and sub par off manure. That said, i do pretty consistently get better yields off manure, but its not worth the extra prep typically

Id be curious to compare coir bottles hydrated w plain water vs grain soak water (then sterilized), maybe a difference in colonization time, even if not much difference in yield


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #27240714 - 03/06/21 04:34 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

It was nothing to do with adding nutrients... I was just being lazy and didn't see a point in wasting the already heated water... lol. I think I might throw some in half pints and see if I can't nocc em with some random spawn in front of the hood... ya know, for science or whatever... lol


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: roarkell]
    #27240732 - 03/06/21 04:51 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

The progression...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #27240766 - 03/06/21 05:36 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Ted, did you spawn a bag you felt iffy about just to see what would happen?

...Or was this unexpected?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr. Mushie]
    #27240773 - 03/06/21 05:42 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I dont remember. These were old pics.

I do however do that.  I always label what looked iffy about it and make mental notes of how it went. Who cares if i have to toss a sub if I get to learn in the process.

Then u know " oh, i definitely dont wanna spawn bags that look like that again" or " i can still get a flush outta ones that look like this but 30% turned green"



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #27240777 - 03/06/21 05:49 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I agree that tossing it out immediately was probably overkill in hindsight, but I picked some decent fruits before I did so, so it's not a total loss.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #27240781 - 03/06/21 05:55 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

for those of you that use liners: is there a trick to using them? i was having trouble with side pins & decided to use some on these grows. just noticed massive amounts of side pinning on the sweaterbox i used a garbage bag liner on. i thought i pressed everything it firmly enough but clearly something was amiss. my surface conditions on the past few tubs have been great as far as i can tell, but i’m still getting tons of side pinning. it’s just getting really frustrating to have half my harvests on the side/bottom & inevitably destroying parts of the sub trying to harvest the mushrooms fused to the sides lol



gave it a mist today but the surface never dried out on this tub, there were always small droplets like this (maybe slightly smaller at points) on the myc & the coir has stayed dark


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #27240784 - 03/06/21 05:59 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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I dont remember. These were old pics.

I do however do that.  I always label what looked iffy about it and make mental notes of how it went. Who cares if i have to toss a sub if I get to learn in the process.

Then u know " oh, i definitely dont wanna spawn bags that look like that again" or " i can still get a flush outta ones that look like this but 30% turned green"




Right on.

I asked because I was under the illusion you never make mistakes.  :super:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr. Mushie]
    #27240796 - 03/06/21 06:13 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Funny. Someone just mentioned somewhere that its good practice to separate grain soak buckets from coir buckets. The slightest starch in the coir can cause mysterious problems.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr. Mushie]
    #27240798 - 03/06/21 06:16 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I’ve had a few cultures that pinned all over every part of the sub no matter what.


With liners it helps to pack the sub tight around the edge and either use something super thin like grocery bag or with two layers like trash bags.  Other than that if your surface is good that’s all you can do.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #27240981 - 03/06/21 08:02 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

thanks AKA!! glad to know it’s not just me completely fucking up lol. i’m gonna try to pack down my subs more firmly at spawn. i have a few clones that looooove to side pin, my MS grows seem to side pin a lot less for whatever reason


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27240992 - 03/06/21 08:13 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Hey fellas, I hope you're all doing well. Is bruising an indicator of active chemical compound content? I would think not because I've had plenty of mushrooms that didn't bruise and were pretty potent but I've read about using a spectrophotometer to test potency. Has anybody confirmed the accuracy of using such equipment for potency tests?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr. Mushie]
    #27241038 - 03/06/21 08:38 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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I dont remember. These were old pics.

I do however do that.  I always label what looked iffy about it and make mental notes of how it went. Who cares if i have to toss a sub if I get to learn in the process.

Then u know " oh, i definitely dont wanna spawn bags that look like that again" or " i can still get a flush outta ones that look like this but 30% turned green"




Right on.

I asked because I was under the illusion you never make mistakes.  :super:





Why would that be?  We all make mistakes.  Gimme some whiskey and let me loose in the lab. Ill show you how to make a mistake:rofl2:




quote]tedoro said:
Funny. Someone just mentioned somewhere that its good practice to separate grain soak buckets from coir buckets. The slightest starch in the coir can cause mysterious problems.


 

I definitely had issues when using the same pot if I didnt clean it scrupulously


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #27241128 - 03/06/21 10:07 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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I dont remember. These were old pics.

I do however do that.  I always label what looked iffy about it and make mental notes of how it went. Who cares if i have to toss a sub if I get to learn in the process.

Then u know " oh, i definitely dont wanna spawn bags that look like that again" or " i can still get a flush outta ones that look like this but 30% turned green"




Right on.

I asked because I was under the illusion you never make mistakes.  :super:





Why would that be?  We all make mistakes.  Gimme some whiskey and let me loose in the lab. Ill show you how to make a mistake:rofl2:




quote]tedoro said:
Funny. Someone just mentioned somewhere that its good practice to separate grain soak buckets from coir buckets. The slightest starch in the coir can cause mysterious problems.


 

I definitely had issues when using the same pot if I didnt clean it scrupulously






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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #27241148 - 03/06/21 10:26 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

mario, i’m pretty sure bruising doesn’t indicate potency at all. i’ve read a lot of posts saying the mushrooms didn’t bruise but the batch was super potent


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #27241285 - 03/07/21 01:07 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Funny. Someone just mentioned somewhere that its good practice to separate grain soak buckets from coir buckets. The slightest starch in the coir can cause mysterious problems.



I can't imagine nutrients being left over after cleaning. I used the same pots for coir as I did for grains, all going well. Except some funky random genetics MSS.


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