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roarkell
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Just_A_Noob]
#27240129 - 03/06/21 09:08 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Has anyone ever used the boiled water from grain to hydrate coir? In the middle of both projects and the idea had never occurred to me...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr. Mushie]
#27240142 - 03/06/21 09:14 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mr. Mushie said: Since Filthy wants to keep alluding to his awesome lids but doesn't want to tell anyone what they are, here ya go....

Uline 70/450, they're $11.50 for a 50 pack.
Thats for a wide mouth jar or a regular jar?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: roarkell]
#27240165 - 03/06/21 09:26 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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roarkell said: Has anyone ever used the boiled water from grain to hydrate coir? In the middle of both projects and the idea had never occurred to me...
I know it’s been discussed before, not sure if anybody did it. You’d have to treat it even more carefully than manure to avoid contam but I don’t see why it couldn’t work.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27240174 - 03/06/21 09:31 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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A.k.a said:
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roarkell said: Has anyone ever used the boiled water from grain to hydrate coir? In the middle of both projects and the idea had never occurred to me...
I know it’s been discussed before, not sure if anybody did it. You’d have to treat it even more carefully than manure to avoid contam but I don’t see why it couldn’t work.
Because of the nutes? Or am I missing something obvious? Lol... ive been hauling ass all morning and im a little frazzled
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: roarkell]
#27240202 - 03/06/21 09:47 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah having the exposed coir soaked in nutrients could go bad real fast.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: roarkell] 1
#27240209 - 03/06/21 09:59 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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roarkell said:
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A.k.a said:
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roarkell said: Has anyone ever used the boiled water from grain to hydrate coir? In the middle of both projects and the idea had never occurred to me...
I know it’s been discussed before, not sure if anybody did it. You’d have to treat it even more carefully than manure to avoid contam but I don’t see why it couldn’t work.
Because of the nutes? Or am I missing something obvious? Lol... ive been hauling ass all morning and im a little frazzled
This won't work without everything being sterilized and inoculated infront of a hood.
Grain starch and pieces of grain cant just be pasteurized to avoid contam, it would need sterilization and have to stay sterile
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27240240 - 03/06/21 10:22 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is just bruising, right y'all?
I misted this shoebox last night, checked them this morning and saw this blue-ish purple patch. It doesn't seem like mold but I wanted a second opinion.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: zMan]
#27240259 - 03/06/21 10:36 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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zMan said:
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Mr. Mushie said: Since Filthy wants to keep alluding to his awesome lids but doesn't want to tell anyone what they are, here ya go....

Uline 70/450, they're $11.50 for a 50 pack.
Thats for a wide mouth jar or a regular jar?
Regular mouth.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: joze]
#27240266 - 03/06/21 10:39 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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joze said:

This is just bruising, right y'all?
I misted this shoebox last night, checked them this morning and saw this blue-ish purple patch. It doesn't seem like mold but I wanted a second opinion.
I think that tub is a goner.
Keep an eye on it, i'm sure someone else will chime in.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr. Mushie]
#27240270 - 03/06/21 10:40 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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joze said:

This is just bruising, right y'all?
I misted this shoebox last night, checked them this morning and saw this blue-ish purple patch. It doesn't seem like mold but I wanted a second opinion.
Sorry dude that’s contamination. Looks like Penicillium
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr. Mushie]
#27240295 - 03/06/21 10:51 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mr. Mushie said:
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zMan said:
Thats for a wide mouth jar or a regular jar?
Regular mouth.
Looks like they have 89mm lids as well: https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-18010/Replacement-Caps/Polypropylene-Caps-89-400-White
Not sure if they’ll actually fit or not since I thought wide mouths are 90mm. Anyone know if it actually makes a difference here?
Thanks for the link btw Mr Mushie, great source.
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mind.at.large said:
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joze said:

This is just bruising, right y'all?
I misted this shoebox last night, checked them this morning and saw this blue-ish purple patch. It doesn't seem like mold but I wanted a second opinion.
Sorry dude that’s contamination. Looks like Penicillium
Fuck. Okay. I'm going to keep a close eye on this. First flush is almost ready for harvest
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: joze]
#27240356 - 03/06/21 11:24 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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That just looks like bruising to me. Keep an eye on it, if the coir gets darker around it then you might be in trouble.
It’s definitely not mold on top but sometimes mold in the sub will cause bruising like that before showing up. But if you misted right there directly that’s what it’s from.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27240373 - 03/06/21 11:34 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: That just looks like bruising to me. Keep an eye on it, if the coir gets darker around it then you might be in trouble.
It’s definitely not mold on top but sometimes mold in the sub will cause bruising like that before showing up. But if you misted right there directly that’s what it’s from.
LMAO I just threw that tub out after quickly harvesting. Didn't want to risk something spreading to my other cultures. Should have waited a little longer I guess...
I didn't mist right there directly. I misted it from at least a foot away with a pretty fine spray.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: joze]
#27240448 - 03/06/21 12:12 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Add some coir on top or just leave it be?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
#27240460 - 03/06/21 12:23 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lenz said:
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Mr. Mushie said:
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zMan said:
Thats for a wide mouth jar or a regular jar?
Regular mouth.
Looks like they have 89mm lids as well: https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-18010/Replacement-Caps/Polypropylene-Caps-89-400-White
Not sure if they’ll actually fit or not since I thought wide mouths are 90mm. Anyone know if it actually makes a difference here?
Thanks for the link btw Mr Mushie, great source.
You need 86/450 lids for wide mouth, which they don't carry unfortunately.
The ones you linked won't fit wide mouth jars.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: joze]
#27240462 - 03/06/21 12:24 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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joze said:
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A.k.a said: That just looks like bruising to me. Keep an eye on it, if the coir gets darker around it then you might be in trouble.
It’s definitely not mold on top but sometimes mold in the sub will cause bruising like that before showing up. But if you misted right there directly that’s what it’s from.
LMAO I just threw that tub out after quickly harvesting. Didn't want to risk something spreading to my other cultures. Should have waited a little longer I guess...
I didn't mist right there directly. I misted it from at least a foot away with a pretty fine spray.
Pretty much tell tale for sub surface contam. You made the right choice but probably could have let the flush finish
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: joze]
#27240468 - 03/06/21 12:31 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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joze said:
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A.k.a said: That just looks like bruising to me. Keep an eye on it, if the coir gets darker around it then you might be in trouble.
It’s definitely not mold on top but sometimes mold in the sub will cause bruising like that before showing up. But if you misted right there directly that’s what it’s from.
LMAO I just threw that tub out after quickly harvesting. Didn't want to risk something spreading to my other cultures. Should have waited a little longer I guess...
I didn't mist right there directly. I misted it from at least a foot away with a pretty fine spray.
There was a thread I believe Smartattack had about leaving super triched out tubs right next to a bunch of healthy tubs that had no issues fruiting.
I think tossing something at the first sign of contam is overkill and I see that happening all over the forums.
Now, I may not be the most experienced or established but I have left green tubs right next to healthy tubs many times over the last couple of months just so they could finish flushing before I tossed them.
The other tubs were never negatively affected and most went on to flush 3 times. I have done this time and time again.
Is it the best practice? No. But I think tossing something at the first sign of contam, especially when said tub is already fruiting or beginning a second flush, is overkill ime.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr. Mushie]
#27240503 - 03/06/21 01:02 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Joze, that picture looks powdery to me and looks like the bluish contam I've seen that I assume is Penicillium. But tossing it at the first sign of contam, especially while it's currently flushing, is jumping the gun a little bit. I usually just isolate it or put a paper towel over the contam and at least let it finish flushing
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: roarkell]
#27240511 - 03/06/21 01:09 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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roarkell said: Has anyone ever used the boiled water from grain to hydrate coir? In the middle of both projects and the idea had never occurred to me...
Fuck no. That'd contam so fast. Grain water is literally the vehicle endospores use for travel. Plus, what's the point? Come spawning time, your mycelium has already had 2 weeks with a full quart of prepped grain. What's some leftover grain remnants going to add?
Even if you sterilized it, any loose grains would immediately become vectors for contamination. Our grain spawn is fine because it's colonized by healthy myc. A lone, wet grain is ripe for mold/bacteria. Bad batches of Eco Earth had loose grains that'd cause issues for folks. Pasty has a thread on it.
I mean, I'm sure it can be done, but the risk/reward is all fucked up.
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