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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz] * 2
    #27219439 - 02/22/21 12:18 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, because the conditions aren't the same, especially the sub moisture throughout (at least for me). My clones have always yielded differently between 66 and shoebox. Using SB's for test runs is fine to make sure it's not a dud, but I expect a better yield in a full-size tub.

I ran the same AA+ clone 8 times in a full-size tub with 5 quarts of spawn. After 2 full flushes, I averaged 1.48/oz dried per quart. I ran the same clone in 7 shoeboxes w/ 1 quart of spawn and only pulled 1.23/oz dried per.

It's probably worth noting my spawn for the 66's got expanded a decent amount so the yields dropped over the last few tubs. So the difference should be bigger. However, your shoebox conditions could be better than mine and result in less of a yield discrepancy.

Also interesting that my 6 quart shoebox totes hit the same yield as the SB's, but 95% of it in the first flush. I attribute that to them having purple snap handles like the 66's. Less FAE = more moisture = bigger initial flush.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #27219464 - 02/22/21 01:06 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Can you seal up bags before PCing?
Is bags OK in a sab


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Geinstein]
    #27219486 - 02/22/21 01:51 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Some people do, some people don't. I personally don't and seen allot that don't.
Bags in a SAB can be done but it can be a bitch as well, room wise.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27219489 - 02/22/21 01:57 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Guys, if after two weeks of monotubes colonization they are not ready yet, is it rather suspicious or not? It almost done, but some are lagging behind others


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gt40]
    #27219559 - 02/22/21 04:41 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Hi,

I have a litte tube here with KSSS Cube Strain. I don't have follow any Tek just do it for fun but I work clean as possible.

I mix vermiculite and Coco together and do my Grain Spwan in to. The Coco Vermiculite I Hydrate with Hot Boiling Water. 3 day's ago i flip the cake upside down and it breaks on the side but not to much just a few cm. Know the bottom side is on top that's why you see the round stuff lol.. The vermiculite looks like yellow but that's not comtam it looks like this.

The lid I prepare with some side holey and close it with micropore tape. On top I have also holes. Every Day I open the lid for fresh air and spray underside the done for enough moisture.

The tube know is in my Homebox light is enough there but I didn't see pins yet. Will this project work?



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gt40]
    #27219670 - 02/22/21 07:16 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Guys, if after two weeks of monotubes colonization they are not ready yet, is it rather suspicious or not? It almost done, but some are lagging behind others




Mine take 14 days before I see pins. They never all happen at the same time. So I think you are good. If you get antsy, post a sharp, clear photo. People here love to make helpful comments to photographs.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fietchen]
    #27219857 - 02/22/21 09:04 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Geinstein said:
Can you seal up bags before PCing?
Is bags OK in a sab



You can line the pc with a pillow case to cut down on abrasion and what not. Personally i jst use jars. I like bashing it against my knee after 30 trips through the pc so it explodes and slices the fuck outta me.

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Fietchen said:
The tube know is in my Homebox light is enough there but I didn't see pins yet. Will this project work?



Probably not. Mycology is tricky and it's best to go by the book till you understand enough to cut corners, which as it turns out isnt done because cutting corners leads to failed attempts.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #27220119 - 02/22/21 11:10 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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stareatclouds said:
Yes, because the conditions aren't the same, especially the sub moisture throughout (at least for me). My clones have always yielded differently between 66 and shoebox. Using SB's for test runs is fine to make sure it's not a dud, but I expect a better yield in a full-size tub.

I ran the same AA+ clone 8 times in a full-size tub with 5 quarts of spawn. After 2 full flushes, I averaged 1.48/oz dried per quart. I ran the same clone in 7 shoeboxes w/ 1 quart of spawn and only pulled 1.23/oz dried per.

It's probably worth noting my spawn for the 66's got expanded a decent amount so the yields dropped over the last few tubs. So the difference should be bigger. However, your shoebox conditions could be better than mine and result in less of a yield discrepancy.

Also interesting that my 6 quart shoebox totes hit the same yield as the SB's, but 95% of it in the first flush. I attribute that to them having purple snap handles like the 66's. Less FAE = more moisture = bigger initial flush.





I see, that's a good place to start from, thanks stare!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27220178 - 02/22/21 11:50 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Feasoghorm said:
Quote:

Geinstein said:
Can you seal up bags before PCing?
Is bags OK in a sab



You can line the pc with a pillow case to cut down on abrasion and what not. Personally i jst use jars. I like bashing it against my knee after 30 trips through the pc so it explodes and slices the fuck outta me.

Quote:

Fietchen said:
The tube know is in my Homebox light is enough there but I didn't see pins yet. Will this project work?



Probably not. Mycology is tricky and it's best to go by the book till you understand enough to cut corners, which as it turns out isnt done because cutting corners leads to failed attempts.





Hmm ;( sad! What I have done? Do you have a good recipe for Coco Vermiculite mix?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fietchen]
    #27220196 - 02/22/21 12:04 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

In my tubs/tubes (sorry) which I know to be bacterial spawn (harvested anyway to monitor and learn) I have these white foam balls on the sub. What causes this? Fighting contams? Lack of FAE? Is it a contam itself? I spawned them in simple unmodified shoeboxes with no top layer just mixed with field capacity coir.

I can't see exactly the same in any of the contam master threads and searching 'foam balls on sub' doesnt bring up much.




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: clockworkshroom]
    #27220198 - 02/22/21 12:06 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

The fuzzy feet suggest lack of FAE to me. Maybe the fuzzy myc is doing the same thing but without a mushroom to go along with it


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fietchen]
    #27220212 - 02/22/21 12:17 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Geinstein said:
Can you seal up bags before PCing?
Is bags OK in a sab



I've seen people do bags in custom sabs that are taller than usual, or rather sabs laying on their sides


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #27220217 - 02/22/21 12:22 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

It's an unmodified shoebox though so surely FAE is fine with the lid on?  Maybe it's just bad surface conditions and spawn


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: clockworkshroom]
    #27220239 - 02/22/21 12:37 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Is your lid flipped? I use unmodded monos but, once the pinset is in, i hang the lid over and let loads of air in. The pinset will maintain the humidity at surface level


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: The Dalcassian]
    #27220297 - 02/22/21 01:06 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

No I've left my lid on, that's seems to be the norm for shoeboxes. I'll flip it now anyway. If it was an unmodified mono I'd have it flipped the whole time.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: The Dalcassian]
    #27220300 - 02/22/21 01:07 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Cool the bags filters are 0.22 would it be fine to seal them before PCing them seen as they all are getting injected through a port?
Or should I seal then after PCing well they have a vacuum


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Geinstein]
    #27220324 - 02/22/21 01:17 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Is it worth to clone the xxl-mushroom which appears sometimes in the last flush or not a good idea ?
Think this will end in a bad pinset?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Geinstein]
    #27220405 - 02/22/21 02:23 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Geinstein said:
Can you seal up bags before PCing?
Is bags OK in a sab



I preseal my bags. I squeeze the air out and seal. Really I seal then squeeze the air out after cutting a tiny notch then seal again. Works great and I can carry may bags o grain all over, no worry.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Schemenhaft] * 1
    #27220408 - 02/22/21 02:26 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Do it for funsies and see. Cloning from younger clusters is obviously better, but you can still get some great yields from older/lone fruits. Some of my best APE yields were from a bigger, mature fruit I cloned on the 2nd harvest. Cloning a clone isn't as bad as old posts would have you believe, either, IME.

Just don't expand it much until you know how it performs.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #27220565 - 02/22/21 03:54 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Is a PC running at steam in the same room as the SAB considered to create enough air movement to contaminate work

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