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natedawgnow
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27193371 - 02/08/21 09:49 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is why my wheat tek explains exactly what to look for in a hydrated grain.
I think lots of bacterial issues come from underhydrated grains from soak only teks or no prep teks.
Probably bout to receive flak for that
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27193377 - 02/08/21 09:52 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Large cereal grains are poor candidates for no prep, millet and other bird feeds are excellent.
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GypsyBastard
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#27193381 - 02/08/21 09:54 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I feel you, clockwork. My first WBS jars since getting back in the game have been less than spectacular. I've been taking some chances (first 3 jars were T1) but am relearning some lessons about the difference between a clean plate, and a plate that looks clean. I was so enthusiastic before. I knew I was rusty and I'm working in less than ideal conditions (living-space wise) but every little set back feels like it's rubbing my wasted time in my face. I'm sure this sentiment will fade as soon as I harvest my first shoebox but until then it's just a lot of delayed gratitude and instant grief.
I'm prepping some more WBS now and should be able to PC them today so hopefully having a few more goes at it soon. I recently found this Handy InstantPot Prep guide so I'm going to give it a shot. 20min WBS prep would rock and I do actually like the convenience of the instantpot. I mean after all, we do tend to love our set'n'forgets. Between it and my presto and my huge old jar stash I found I should be able to crank out some fucking jars in the next week. I'm determined to shake off this rusty bullshit and regain my smurf real estate license.
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natedawgnow
Rocky mountain hood rat



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27193385 - 02/08/21 09:55 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've tried no prep wbs and was not a fan.
Bottom of the jars would be mushy or overhydrated and tops would be slightly dry.
Best prep I ever found for wbs was extended foomans prep and load a tad wet.
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Camera93
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27193395 - 02/08/21 09:57 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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If I am doing no prep WBS, I have to be there to unload hot and shake them up, then again a couple hours later
if not I have run into that issue Nate
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Munchauzen


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#27193397 - 02/08/21 09:58 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I recently made a video my for whole oat tek. Don't really feel like making a post for it, so enjoy. It was moreso for my youtube subs.
Boil your oats for 20 minutes, folks. that is all.
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mind.at.large
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27193399 - 02/08/21 10:01 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
natedawgnow said: I've tried no prep wbs and was not a fan.
Bottom of the jars would be mushy or overhydrated and tops would be slightly dry.
Best prep I ever found for wbs was extended foomans prep and load a tad wet.
I’ve found no prep wbs needs to be shaken a handful of times for the first couple of days to not have that issue. But I haven’t done any no prep in a while. An overnight soak is so easy
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27193401 - 02/08/21 10:01 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
natedawgnow said: I've tried no prep wbs and was not a fan.
Bottom of the jars would be mushy or overhydrated and tops would be slightly dry.
Best prep I ever found for wbs was extended foomans prep and load a tad wet.
I should have clarified. I think they're good candidates for soaking and then PC. By no prep I personally mean no boil, I use the terms interchangeably. This is how I prep white millet.
I find that adding water to a jar or bag with any grains does exactly what you described.
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The Dalcassian
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
#27193404 - 02/08/21 10:05 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Anyone doing wheat or wbs should definitely look at natwdawgs wheat prep. If for no other reason than to familiarise themselves with the pics and to gain confidence in identifying the visual cues that tell if its hydrated properly.
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Lenz
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27193406 - 02/08/21 10:05 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not disputing that at all, no doubt the hood is unmatched with respect to speed and ease of use and comfort with any decent workload. Hell I get annoyed having to load up jars ten at a time in my SAB then spraying and waiting but it is what is it.
Was just talking about the people whose first advice to noobs dealing with any kind of contamination is “you need laminar flow or you your loved ones and all your earthly belongings will be consumed by bacteria and mold” yada yada.
I agree any kind of scale operation would be ridiculous without a hood, the time cost alone of having to do that much in an SAB would be unmanageable.
I have indeed never used a hood though and I probably won’t be able to for another few years regardless of money so I’ll just be sitting here in still air purgatory.
And @clock, it definitely sucks but that’s how you learn. I’ve thrown out probably like 80 jars of grain in the past month and a half or so, a lot of them jars that I spent the time not just cooking but inoculating too. I had to run them thru the PC again too before tossing them so I’ve been wasting hella time energy and resources lol. But I think I’ve mostly figured out why I was having issues and it feels real good to get things running again.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
#27193428 - 02/08/21 10:24 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I keep getting bacterial crap in my agar plates through my sab. It also seems to be random asf, some plates do get it others dont.
I:
- Wipe surfaces with 70% ISO - Vaccuum clean regularly - Make sure to close any windows before starting and let the air sit. Doesn't make much difference. - Spray with soapwater within the SAB - Spray with soapwater out of the sab
Still the same. By taking a flashlight and flashing inside the box after I am done transferring etc, I can see micro dust particles flying around and it was indeed all still and calm before starting, so I know they get in during my work.
I have tried 13 cm holes at first, didn't like that and upped it to 16 cm. I don't wanna go bigger than that cuz then its gonna be dust party in there just from it being open wide alone... Or correct me if im wrong.
What am I doing wrong? Help me troubleshoot folks
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tedoro
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
#27193440 - 02/08/21 10:35 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Phony Phone said: I keep getting bacterial crap in my agar plates through my sab. It also seems to be random asf, some plates do get it others dont.
I:
- Wipe surfaces with 70% ISO - Vaccuum clean regularly - Make sure to close any windows before starting and let the air sit. Doesn't make much difference. - Spray with soapwater within the SAB - Spray with soapwater out of the sab
Still the same. By taking a flashlight and flashing inside the box after I am done transferring etc, I can see micro dust particles flying around and it was indeed all still and calm before starting, so I know they get in during my work.
I have tried 13 cm holes at first, didn't like that and upped it to 16 cm. I don't wanna go bigger than that cuz then its gonna be dust party in there just from it being open wide alone... Or correct me if im wrong.
What am I doing wrong? Help me troubleshoot folks 
Things got better for me when I made a HUGE SAB. Took me visiting four box stores before I found a big enough tote. And yah, someone somewhere on here described how larger holes actually lessen the 'piston' action of your arms coming and going.
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27193444 - 02/08/21 10:37 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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You guys are aware that you can build a SAB and make it any size that suits your situation, right?
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tedoro
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27193449 - 02/08/21 10:39 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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It is nice to have your agar plates a distance from the arm holes. I had better results when that was improved.
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Munchauzen


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27193454 - 02/08/21 10:41 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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walmart has has big 100+ qt tall boys last I was there, with black lids. great for sabs.
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The Dalcassian
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
#27193457 - 02/08/21 10:42 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Have you tried doing a mock run with an incense candle in there. It allows you to view air currents and how your movement displace it whilst your working.
I've not done it myself but I've read about it on here for practising slow and steady sab movements.
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GypsyBastard
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27193466 - 02/08/21 10:47 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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It sounds like you did your research in tracking down the problem and eliminating variables. I had a similar experience to what tedoro is saying. A larger box helps to minimize the affects of your motions. Not to say that your technique is sloppy but I would stress watching your motions. Just makes sure you are not moving your hands/arms over any of your work. For pinpointing when it's happening, have you tried either working with your flashlight on to see when you start seeing particles or stopping periodically through your session to see if they've appeared yet?
Edit: Sorry, I'm slow and it seems others have said essentially the same already.
Edited by GypsyBastard (02/08/21 10:49 AM)
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Phony Phone

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27193487 - 02/08/21 11:00 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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@tedoro and others - My SAB is already a big boy, around 120 qts. I try to keep the plates as far away from the holes however after some distance the view starts occluding.
@Thedalcassian - That is a nice idea. I am already moving slow, any slower I'd be a snail. I gotta try that though.
@GypsyBastard - I am making my moves as targeted as I can, any slower and it would be counter productive. Perhaps I can eliminate movements that I could be doing without in the first place but I can't think much other than that.
What size holes do you employ in your tubs guys?
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GypsyBastard
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
#27193501 - 02/08/21 11:05 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Dal has a good idea. Put an inscent in front of your sab and do some mock work. Then maybe the same with one inside the SAB. Use a light as you did to see the currents and maybe that will lead you to a way to minimize it.
For arm hole size... I guessed. Couldn't find a metal coffee can anywhere so I eyeballed it and used a soldering iron to cut them. I would say more than 4 less than 6. Probably closer to 4.8 now that I picture my telescope next to it.
Edited by GypsyBastard (02/08/21 11:48 AM)
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Crackatoa
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
#27193503 - 02/08/21 11:06 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mine were either 4-5 inch. I used a big metal coffee can heated on the stove and pushed through.
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