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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27192741 - 02/07/21 10:47 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I was chatting/debating with a friend today and a question came up that I don’t really want to start a new thread for but wanted to know if there’s an answer to. Can developing mushrooms absorb water through the fruit bodies or is it only from water uptake through the mycelium? Like can spraying water on the developing fruits lead to larger growth/higher yields or will they just become water logged and still dry out to the same amount? I usually like to spray my tubs a little but once pins start developing I usually just let it go and assume that there’s more than enough water in the sub for that first flush to grow as big as it wants but my friend was thinking that direct spraying of the mushrooms will allow them to get bigger.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27192742 - 02/07/21 10:47 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

The only thing different was this tub was an APEU clone and the others were ESS and WG clones. Everything else was exactly the same.

I conclude from this tub is that there is still room for improvement.

What are you confused about with my statement about weight?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
    #27192754 - 02/07/21 11:04 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I wasn't sure if you had changed something to affect you cultures performance, or if you realized that your cultures performance would increase if you tweaked the variables that I had suggested, er perhaps even something I haven't even thought of. It's 1am here and I'm pretty foggy and tired atm.

@mimd at large...

I doubt that the fruits are taking up water, at least if they are it wouldn't be significant.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27192784 - 02/07/21 11:34 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry. I know its late. I sometimes forget my wake/sleep cycles are the opposite of most folks.

I had stated that I have had full canopies with 2 different cultures and they both resulted in around 100 grams each. I thought I had reached the limit that I could get out of my 15 qt tubs. I figured my only room for improvement would be from getting better BE by using less spawn.

You had stated that the problem was the culture and its ability to move water. You said that the better the culture is at moving water, the more dry weight I will harvest. You also stated that your goal is for the culture to move 70% of the water into the fruits. This is why I mentioned that I didn't measure wet weight. So I still don't know how much water the culture actually moved

However, My dry weight did improve by around 35 grams. All I was saying is that perhaps it is the efficiency of the culture and not just the surface area of the substrate that detetmines the dry weight.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
    #27192815 - 02/08/21 12:04 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

This is somewhat unrelated Mindatlarge but may have some relavant info.
I did some tests a while back with creminis. Rinsing the mushrooms did increase their weight, and rinsing them for 15 seconds increased their weight more than rinsing for 5 seconds. However, rinsing for 30 seconds did not increase weight more than 15 seconds and soaking did not increase weight more than rinsing. The take away is that the flesh of the mushroom did absorb some water but not nearly as much as is commonly believed in the culinary world and continual exposure to water did not cause continual absorption. These were fruits that have already be harvested obviously but were freshly harvested (only a couple hours old by the time I got them). I can't say how this would play into cubes while growing but it suggests that any water absorbed but the fruits was superficial.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
    #27193057 - 02/08/21 05:06 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

How my Tube looks to you? Not far away to put the KSSS to Fruit. Do you know how many day's left?



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fietchen]
    #27193197 - 02/08/21 07:45 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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How my Tube looks to you? Not far away to put the KSSS to Fruit. Do you know how many day's left?






Almost everyone start with fruiting conditions now, IME have been a lot faster.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #27193214 - 02/08/21 07:54 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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I feel like some of this shade on noob's needn a hood is directed toward me and my question above. I asked what is the proper size hood filter for large bags, and if there is a way to cheat it and have a smaller one. My history is all SAB. I've done hundreds and hundreds of transfers at very low contam rates. grown hundreds of pounds dry. 12 years in.

But I expand out to bags. Lots of them. And I'm done jerryrigging a SAB to do this.

My question still goes unanswered... or do you all want to throw more shade for a while longer. I looked first, couldn't find the answer.




:migraine: I didn't see any shade being thrown. Just someone looking to get offended by something... anything

I didn't even read your previous post cause I saw "bags" and nope out. Never used bags much and I don't give advice on things I know nothing of. I was simply pointing out why things are said by people off this site

Good luck and hope you get a nice hood built


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Gan]
    #27193278 - 02/08/21 08:53 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Feeling defeated today re grains. I'm considering just running pf tek forever. 200 tubs containing 15 cakes each and a team of 5 farmers should be adequate.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: clockworkshroom]
    #27193280 - 02/08/21 08:54 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

What's going on clock? How can I help ya feel better about grains.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Gan]
    #27193282 - 02/08/21 08:56 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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tedoro said:
I feel like some of this shade on noob's needn a hood is directed toward me and my question above. I asked what is the proper size hood filter for large bags, and if there is a way to cheat it and have a smaller one. My history is all SAB. I've done hundreds and hundreds of transfers at very low contam rates. grown hundreds of pounds dry. 12 years in.

But I expand out to bags. Lots of them. And I'm done jerryrigging a SAB to do this.

My question still goes unanswered... or do you all want to throw more shade for a while longer. I looked first, couldn't find the answer.




:migraine: I didn't see any shade being thrown. Just someone looking to get offended by something... anything

I didn't even read your previous post cause I saw "bags" and nope out. Never used bags much and I don't give advice on things I know nothing of. I was simply pointing out why things are said by people off this site

Good luck and hope you get a nice hood built




It's 2021, you don't need a valid reason to be offended and you are not allowed to question someone who is offended by anything. Stay in line.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: clockworkshroom]
    #27193285 - 02/08/21 08:58 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

more grain talky less philosophical quips.

why do your grains suck?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27193288 - 02/08/21 09:01 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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What's going on clock? How can I help ya feel better about grains.




Just 20+ jars of bacterial grain spawn lol. Although I expect some will fruit at least a first flush in shoeboxes. I got cocky and complacent I think after no contams in any of my agar.

I've bought some millet to try instead of whole oats and per p9s advice will soak for 18 or so hours, drain and load in the pc. Hopefully that plus being super careful in the SAB will get me on the right track.

Just the sloth face with the kind gesture made me feel better. I'm not giving up and spending a k on a completely unnecessary (for me) flowhood I'm far too inexperienced to use without trying to address my Tek first.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #27193290 - 02/08/21 09:05 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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more grain talky less philosophical quips.

why do your grains suck?




Haha my bad. I'm equally unequipped to talk philosophy as I am grain prep to be fair.

Not sure if it was grain prep or SAB Tek that caused me issues at this point, possibly both.

As everyone always says, myc is a patient hobby and I need to learn that. It's just gutting when you prep 20+ jars (3 separate runs) and then after 2 weeks you basically have to start again.

I already have more fruit than I need from pf tek so I'm in no real rush other than I don't like losing :smile:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
    #27193320 - 02/08/21 09:25 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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They say it cause they have shitty sterile technique and it's masked by using a hood over a SAB.

Not gonna lie, I can be a lot more relaxed and get away with a lot of shit in front of my hood that I couldn't dream of getting away with while in my SAB. But, you'll never hear me advocate someone to get a hood if they're having contam problems in their SAB. It's almost always an issue with sterile technique, not the use of a SAB.

Even though I haven't used a SAB in almost a year now, I'm glad I started out in one because it taught me a bunch about sterile work that I might have ignored if I started out immediately in front of a hood.





Makes sense, it's just crazy that people drop hundreds of dollars on something as specialized as a FH and aren't aware that one can do nearly as much in a SAB.

I'd love a hood to be able to relax a bit and not worry about leaving a plate open or a jar lid off for a second but at the end of the day I'm pretty confident I can do most things adequately in my box.

Hurts to see and it's not even worth the time to disprove lol.



Ya let's see you do any scale operations without a hood and keep that attitude :lol:

I'd guarantee that having to knock up 50 sawdust blocks or even 20 grain bags
in a sab on a regular basis would change your mind about a hood instantly.

No offense, but anybody that thinks a sab is comparable to a hood has simply never used a hood.
It's not just about being able to relax :lol:

Sab is great, used one for years, but it's like comparing teeball to MLB.

I think everyone should start in a sab, but after you got your sterile tek on point
and if you ever intend on doing more than a few shoeboxes, a hood really kicks ass.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
    #27193332 - 02/08/21 09:33 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Personally, I don't think I'll ever be able to go back to a SAB after having a hood


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: clockworkshroom]
    #27193340 - 02/08/21 09:36 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Crackatoa said:
What's going on clock? How can I help ya feel better about grains.




Just 20+ jars of bacterial grain spawn lol. Although I expect some will fruit at least a first flush in shoeboxes. I got cocky and complacent I think after no contams in any of my agar.

I've bought some millet to try instead of whole oats and per p9s advice will soak for 18 or so hours, drain and load in the pc. Hopefully that plus being super careful in the SAB will get me on the right track.

Just the sloth face with the kind gesture made me feel better. I'm not giving up and spending a k on a completely unnecessary (for me) flowhood I'm far too inexperienced to use without trying to address my Tek first.



I do prepless millet, I would run a batch his way and try one run prepless and see how they do. I automatically wanna go to a ride a long in your agar. But without seeing it I don't wanna start pointing a finger as it could have happened during inoculation.
We've all been there I'm sure. I've had to toss 40 + jars at once before. I sometimes get too cocky with agar, I now what's do a another transfer or two after I think they're ready. I built my hood for less than $500. It's only a 16x 24 but I love it.
Thank you, I feel like I can't ever change my avatar now. Nobody will know who I am :lol:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: clockworkshroom]
    #27193347 - 02/08/21 09:40 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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It's just gutting when you prep 20+ jars (3 separate runs) and then after 2 weeks you basically have to start again.




Yup. If I was a betting man, I’d say every successful mushroom grower has felt this before

Get back on the grain train and try it again! Grains kick so much ass compared to PF stuff and once you dial it in, you’ll never go back!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mind.at.large]
    #27193356 - 02/08/21 09:45 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I've only now realized that without saturating the very center of larger grains with water prior to sterilization, you are asking for trouble. I think millet or other smaller grains are better for beginners. I could get my wheat to the perfect water content to a half percentage point.... but the very center wasn't hydrated. and then boom, I was a trich farmer.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mind.at.large]
    #27193369 - 02/08/21 09:49 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks p9 and gypsy for the response. That’s kinda what I was thinking. I’m sure spraying water on developing fruits would lead to some water absorption, but if anything, I doubt it would do anything to change the eventual dry weight.


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