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Fietchen
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27189896 - 02/06/21 03:04 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ready in how many Days? 2-3?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fietchen]
#27189935 - 02/06/21 03:36 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Those don’t look good
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GypsyBastard
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My novice opinion; looks bacterial.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fietchen]
#27189957 - 02/06/21 03:44 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fietchen said: Ready in how many Days? 2-3?

Did you put spores on grain?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27190661 - 02/06/21 10:35 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said: Those are definitely the 3 most important factors, imo. If any one of those are missing from the equation then you'll have diminished returns.
Sufficient water, Sufficient fruiting surface, Efficient culture.
You need the water reservoir, so a decently sized substrate like a 66qt mono, Enough surface area for your culture to spread, and a culture that will efficiently take advantage of the surface area and efficientlytransportwater from the sub to the fruit.
Appropriate conditions assumed as a baseline.
I really enjoyed reading the conversation between you and brownbear about the substrate water content and surface area. I honestly didn't even think about how some of my canopies were small fruits and just chalked it up to genetics but also their ability to pull more water from the substrate. Love learning shit.
I only use 66 qts for the most part but when I do use 20 qts I do notice a significant difference in dried weight compared to 66qt. They can be nearly same sized fruits but dried to less weight which confused me.
I wonder if the amount of verm in the substrate also can lead to retaining to much water in the substrate and losses some ability to be pulled out by the mycelium to the fruits. I generally have been using 3qts of verm to 1 brick and have had good success but I think i'm going to try to use 2 and 1 qts side by side with the same culture and see if it impacts anything.
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The cultures ability to efficiently convert water from the environment into fruit bodies is genetic.
I've had cultures that suck up a lot of water but weren't prolific fruiters, they didn't utilize all of the available surface area by clustering. It produced heavy mushrooms but the culture didn't utilize the space available.
Conversely, I've had cultures that packed every square inch of available surface area but weren't particularly good at moving most of the water out of the sub. The key is to hunt for a culture that does both, aim for 70% of the water to be moved into fruit, this is the standard I've adopted from reading Pasty's posts, this is the metric that I apply.
I got the feeling that brownbear had selected a culture that pushed up canopies but didn't pay too much attention to the wet weight after harvest so he wasn't aware of the water efficiency of his culture. If proper conditions are assumed as baseline, spawn volume should also be assumed at 4 myco quarts. So if conditions are good, 4 quarts are used for spawn, then it's up to the culture to move the water at that point.
I use 66qt mono's with 5 liters of water. I hunt for clones that will cluster enough to fill that surface area and simultaneously move 70% of that 5 liters into fruit, which would be 3500 wet grams first flush.
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Agreed ^^^^ great discussion thanks for bringing up the topic.
Been wondering similar things because I didn't understand how people said they'd pull like 3000g wet flushes from tubs when my wall to wall tubs max out at like 2000g.
Like these tubs were only around 1700/1800g IIRC and they were some of the densest I've had so far.
 
What p9hu7 is saying makes a lot of sense though, literally never even considered these kinds of elements when thinking about clones. Back to the hunt I guess, 3500g would be straight dope.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
#27190710 - 02/06/21 11:09 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think pasty just posted an old challenge thread a couple of days back where he detailed doing exactly this, I believe he used an RW culture. I think PE is also a good choice for obvious reasons.
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Crackatoa
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27190786 - 02/07/21 12:38 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I already have several things going and I still somehow talked myself into putting more spores to agar. Well, now I've got LPEU, Thai pink buffalo and RW on agar.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#27190859 - 02/07/21 02:09 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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LPEu is a producer. Make big weight with that variety. Never tested the potency though.
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Inthepit
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27190954 - 02/07/21 04:58 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Really cool discussion P9, with BrownBear. He asked, " So you are saying that the better the culture is at moving water, the more dry material the tub will produce in a single flush? "
I hope I didn't miss an answer to that, but I just wanted to clarify, does more water weight mean there will also be more dry weight? So in the end the actual BE would be higher?
thanks for the deeper understanding of what's growing.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit] 1
#27191000 - 02/07/21 05:40 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jeeze verm got expensive since last year 
Is $50 for 4 cubic feet a decent price?
I remember paying a lot less then that the last time i bought it.
Why do you pay for how much?
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Fietchen
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Culliganman360 said: Those don’t look good
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Why?
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Fietchen
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nichrome]
#27191030 - 02/07/21 06:11 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nichrome said:
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Fietchen said: Ready in how many Days? 2-3?

Did you put spores on grain?
Nope LC to Grain! But I did clear as possible.. I have shacke the both jar 2 days ago maybe that's why.
I make another picture
Looks good to me
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fietchen]
#27191121 - 02/07/21 07:26 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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It looks either a little bacterial or the grain was prepped wet but I’d still use those jars in shoeboxes.
The harvest weight isn’t relative to fruit size. I’ve had PF classics that were insanely dense. Like four times the weight of usual shrooms that size. If I could get a tub packed with them I could probably pull 2000 wet first flush from a shoebox.
These are some of the smaller classics, they each weighed 25-35g

Then this one
 
By far the densest fruits I’ve ever had.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27191122 - 02/07/21 07:27 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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My ape swabs are getting fuzzy in agar exciteddddd. My Averys swab dishes (didn't leave the swabs in) have done nothing in a couple of weeks
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bw86]
#27191138 - 02/07/21 07:42 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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bw86 said: Jeeze verm got expensive since last year 
Is $50 for 4 cubic feet a decent price?
I remember paying a lot less then that the last time i bought it.
Why do you pay for how much?
Verm has gotten hella pricy. I’m buying mine now from uline.
https://www.uline.ca/Product/Detail/S-11569/Vermiculite/Vermiculite-Grade-2-4-Cu-Ft-Bag?pricode=YD776&gadtype=pla&id=S-11569&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIosyR0YDY7gIVlRh9Ch1VlAg6EAQYAyABEgKqM_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#27191157 - 02/07/21 07:56 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Inthepit said: Really cool discussion P9, with BrownBear. He asked, " So you are saying that the better the culture is at moving water, the more dry material the tub will produce in a single flush? "
I hope I didn't miss an answer to that, but I just wanted to clarify, does more water weight mean there will also be more dry weight? So in the end the actual BE would be higher?
thanks for the deeper understanding of what's growing.
BE is calculated like this:
(BE) = the wet weight of fruits / the dry weight of the substrate * 100
So yes, the heavier the flush in wet weight, the higher the biological efficiency. The heavier the flush, the heavier it will be once dried.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#27191227 - 02/07/21 08:56 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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GypsyCurse said: LPEu is a producer. Make big weight with that variety. Never tested the potency though.
LPEU has probably been my best canopy maker, i never tried them either, but people reported back all good things.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#27191293 - 02/07/21 09:35 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Am I spawning too early? I have been spawning two weeks after I shake my jars. The jars usually look more or less like the picture above. (Those are Purple Mystic two weeks after the shake and I spawned them to shoeboxes yesterday).
On my next set of jars, I'm going to let the recovery go three weeks and let the myc get thicker. Will this make a difference in the final fruit or the time it takes the culture to fruit?
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