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clockworkshroom
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
#27153489 - 01/17/21 01:11 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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Thanks I'll do both. Should I see the little waterbeads on the cakes right? I didnt know if because I only rolled them earlier today I might have to wait until the myc comes to the surface a bit more before the surface is good for collecting beads.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: EZPZyaBZ]
#27153490 - 01/17/21 01:12 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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nogoodnamesleft said: You all need to prepare for a coco coir shortage - boats coming from India are prohibitively expensive so it’s either a price hike or supply chain disruption coming soon. Take this from someone who imports it by the container for his day job...
Already a head of it. I use bestcob corncob horse bedding pellets. Corn is abundant in the US and produces alot of biproduct. Corncob is made of the same stuff coir is made of; a combination of lignin and cellulose. I can get 40 lb. bags for less than $10. 1 dry qt equals 5 qts of substrate when hydrated. 1 qt weighs around the same as a small brick of coir. It doesn't hold as much water as a brick of coir but the prep is just as easy. I just add the pellets to a pot of boiling water, put the lid on and let it cool.
I will admit that I haven't tried it on its own. I usually add a brick of coir and 2 qts of corncob pellets to 6.5 qts of boiling water.

You had me until you said it doesn't hold water as well, which is of course one of the main roles of the coir and what allows us to get the kinds of flushes we do.
I am very much looking forward to a write up and side by side comparison if you are ever feeling froggy enough to run some straight corn waste tubs next to some straight coir tubs with the same clone culture.
Shit I'll even do it with you. I am intrigued.
Takers?
Sure. I'd be willing to do that. My grow tent is fully dialed in and I have quite a few clones I have in lc right now that are ready to go.
I will run 3 tubs of each for 4 consecutive weeks with the same clone. Everything will be exactly the same except the bulk sub.
Should one of us start a thread?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: S.Crispa]
#27153495 - 01/17/21 01:13 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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S.Crispa said: I have a question about using spawn bags. I recently tried to PC my first couple spawn bags using sawdust/woodchips. These are 'large bags' (Large Size 8" X 5" X 19",0.5 Micron Filter). I can fit 3x in my presto 23-quart at a time. I've followed the tek on these forums but having trouble.
It seems the bags are ballooning up during my PC cycle and rupture. Not all of them rupture, but at least one each time I've tried this tek. Am I folding the bag wrong? Not enough pressure can escape the micron filter? IDK what I'm doing wrong.
Also - When sealing these bags with a heat sealer how many seconds on the seal is recommended? Thanks for the help.
I’ve noticed ballooning when there’s empty space in the PC. Either stuff that summabitch full or put something in there to fill the gaps like a towel or maybe a less filled bag...
For sealing, you’re gonna have to find out what works best for your bags but I set mine at around 4.5. I also hold it down for a total of 10 seconds and peel the bag off slowly. I have found those extra seconds of allowing it to melt/cool make a big difference and help ensure a good seal. Oh and I use 3 mil bags.
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you guys are measuring wet casing by volume or weight? cuz peat is denser than verm when both wet.
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clockworkshroom said: Thanks I'll do both. Should I see the little waterbeads on the cakes right? I didnt know if because I only rolled them earlier today I might have to wait until the myc comes to the surface a bit more before the surface is good for collecting beads.
Not to say I am an authority on fruiting PF cakes but here is a pic of mine with the micro droplets "glistening" that you read about. These red totes from Menards are damn near perfect for a HC or water tub fruiting.

These are just some other pics to give you and idea of the spacing that someone mentioned. Don't want them touching but they can be pretty close. Probably even a bit closer than I have them.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27153578 - 01/17/21 02:07 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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Thanks bud, I've now basically sprayed 500ml and they aren't glistening much haha. Maybe too much verm?
Vimeo cut off most of the zoomed in part :/
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27153717 - 01/17/21 03:19 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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nogoodnamesleft said: You all need to prepare for a coco coir shortage - boats coming from India are prohibitively expensive so it’s either a price hike or supply chain disruption coming soon. Take this from someone who imports it by the container for his day job...
Already a head of it. I use bestcob corncob horse bedding pellets. Corn is abundant in the US and produces alot of biproduct. Corncob is made of the same stuff coir is made of; a combination of lignin and cellulose. I can get 40 lb. bags for less than $10. 1 dry qt equals 5 qts of substrate when hydrated. 1 qt weighs around the same as a small brick of coir. It doesn't hold as much water as a brick of coir but the prep is just as easy. I just add the pellets to a pot of boiling water, put the lid on and let it cool.
I will admit that I haven't tried it on its own. I usually add a brick of coir and 2 qts of corncob pellets to 6.5 qts of boiling water.

You had me until you said it doesn't hold water as well, which is of course one of the main roles of the coir and what allows us to get the kinds of flushes we do.
I am very much looking forward to a write up and side by side comparison if you are ever feeling froggy enough to run some straight corn waste tubs next to some straight coir tubs with the same clone culture.
Shit I'll even do it with you. I am intrigued.
Takers?
Sure. I'd be willing to do that. My grow tent is fully dialed in and I have quite a few clones I have in lc right now that are ready to go.
I will run 3 tubs of each for 4 consecutive weeks with the same clone. Everything will be exactly the same except the bulk sub.
Should one of us start a thread?
After you kind sir, this is your baby, I'm just along for the ride.
I am gearing up to get started on some new runs with different cultures, so I am planning my next spawning session in Feb, got masters going for bags now.
I have two different clones I am running, as well as two different MS cultures. As soon as I see your thread and overall specifics of your technique and supplies used I will throw my hat in as soon as I go get what I need to join in.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: EZPZyaBZ]
#27153743 - 01/17/21 03:35 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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Sounds like a plan. I will start it next weekend.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27153872 - 01/17/21 04:51 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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Has anyone had any experience propagating Azurescenes? I took some spore prints from my harvest off the coast this year and spawned on agar. I've now isolated a clean specimen and have inoculated 2qts of oat grain on 1/2. Growth seems slow and only about 25% inoculated after 15 days.
Has anyone had any luck with this strain in LC? LC is my preferred TEK before grain as it keeps everything on a two week cycle IME.
I am also prepping a bunch of woodchip/sawdust bags I will transfer my grain to these once ready. Getting ready to plant some heady outdoor patches come March! I'd love any advice out there to make sure this goes as smooth as possible.
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clockworkshroom said: Thanks bud, I've now basically sprayed 500ml and they aren't glistening much haha. Maybe too much verm?
There is a fine line between glistening droplets, and completely drenched. Make sure to use a fine mist, and don’t spray directly onto the cakes. If the droplets get big enough to touch and flow into one another you just get sopping wet cakes. Not too bad right now, but if you do that when myc is poking out you will mat them down.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushhead]
#27153904 - 01/17/21 05:11 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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mushhead said: Are these BRF jars? Sounds like they are. Usually when this occurs it can be a few things. The bottom could be dry and the myc is unable to colonize it. The bottom could have bacteria causing the myc to stall out when reaching that area of the jar. There are other instances, these are just the most common. When this happens with my cakes I just top fruit the jars that are affected.
Yes, BRF jars. The mycelium look very healthy with no apparent signs of contam.
With all the pinning, it feels like they are ready to birth.
It just occurred to me tonight- should I have skipped the birthing process and just gone straight to dunk ‘n roll and putting the cakes in the SGFC?
I had five jars and they all were pinning. What would happen if I skipped the birthing step?
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clockworkshroom said: Thanks bud, I've now basically sprayed 500ml and they aren't glistening much haha. Maybe too much verm?
There is a fine line between glistening droplets, and completely drenched. Make sure to use a fine mist, and don’t spray directly onto the cakes. If the droplets get big enough to touch and flow into one another you just get sopping wet cakes. Not too bad right now, but if you do that when myc is poking out you will mat them down.

If you go past that stage and soak them you do get the droplets I spray on the finest setting from about 4-5" above the tub, so a good 10-12" from the cakes. It just creates a mist or fog in the tub that allows the droplets to form. You're not putting them there, you're just trying to give them what the need to put themselves there.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27153964 - 01/17/21 05:59 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Eh 3 bucks a brick is still expensive. 5kg blocks at 12 bucks from the grow store for me make 10 tubs. So thats $1.20 per tub. A third of the price for better quality coir is 
What size tubs are you rocking Nate?
Following a standard bucket tek, I can make about 8 tubs with a 5kg block.
What's your recipe sir?
I use 66qt and 58qt tubs. I put 10qts of verm per 5kg block and thats about all i measure.
I put enough sub in each tote to make a 2"-2.5" sub once spawn is added. That gets me 10 tubs. Once you been in this hobby a minute you'll see that exact measurements are hardly necessary.
Do you have a ballpark on how much water you add?
I'd guess 5 gallons but it sounds like you eyeball it...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: junk_f00d]
#27153985 - 01/17/21 06:12 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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junk_f00d said: So SWPE is just PE? Why is called SWPE then? What does it stand for?
SWPE is Sporeworks PE and is not like other lines in that it blobs more and was at one point subjected to UV therapy.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr. Mushie]
#27154029 - 01/17/21 06:43 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Eh 3 bucks a brick is still expensive. 5kg blocks at 12 bucks from the grow store for me make 10 tubs. So thats $1.20 per tub. A third of the price for better quality coir is 
What size tubs are you rocking Nate?
Following a standard bucket tek, I can make about 8 tubs with a 5kg block.
What's your recipe sir?
I use 66qt and 58qt tubs. I put 10qts of verm per 5kg block and thats about all i measure.
I put enough sub in each tote to make a 2"-2.5" sub once spawn is added. That gets me 10 tubs. Once you been in this hobby a minute you'll see that exact measurements are hardly necessary.
Do you have a ballpark on how much water you add?
I'd guess 5 gallons but it sounds like you eyeball it...
Eh roughly 24L per block. Maybe a little less. Again I dont truly measure anything, I just have a pot with a mark on it that I fill to and I put 8 of those in per 5kg block. The mark is roughly at 3000mL. So roughly 24L total. Maybe a little less 
Best thing to do is fuck around with levels until you get a consistency you like. My shit comes out spot on field capacity, but if it's too wet I add verm until it's right.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27154086 - 01/17/21 07:20 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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junk_f00d said: So SWPE is just PE? Why is called SWPE then? What does it stand for?
SWPE is Sporeworks PE and is not like other lines in that it blobs more and was at one point subjected to UV therapy.
I want to know more about this. I searched for swpe and uv exposure but didn't find anything. Why did they give it UV therapy?
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#27154099 - 01/17/21 07:28 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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junk_f00d said: So SWPE is just PE? Why is called SWPE then? What does it stand for?
SWPE is Sporeworks PE and is not like other lines in that it blobs more and was at one point subjected to UV therapy.
I want to know more about this. I searched for swpe and uv exposure but didn't find anything. Why did they give it UV therapy?
Wanted to give it a nice tan.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GrinchGrower]
#27154235 - 01/17/21 08:47 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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bw86 said: 50 cococ bliss bricks for 150 shipped.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071CLYJCR/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza
I will shill the fuck out of this. I now exclusively use this coir, the quality is top notch and consistent. The brick weights are a little all over the map but IMO that's a non-issue, adjust the water accordingly and you're good to go. I bought the 90 brick pack, and out of ~30 bricks, they have weighed from 575g to 740g. Most of them are 640-700g.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
#27154259 - 01/17/21 08:56 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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Wasn’t the UV thing something PF did way back trying to increase mutations to get albinos or something like that.
Shroom history is so weird. And surprisingly entertaining.
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