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GypsyBastard
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27147332 - 01/14/21 08:59 AM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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I think that's the route I will try this next time. I would love to grab some WBS and throw one together now but it's gonna be a bit more before I have the agar to make jars so no need to start on bags. I think I have 15 or 20 unicorn bags laying around though and really want to try them again but don't want to just waste them by fucking everything up again. I think ziptie may be my best bet. Tried the bag clamps but did not work well for me last time.
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clockworkshroom
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27147340 - 01/14/21 09:06 AM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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eeeek, omg girlfriends, Is this my first ever pin? Or a small albino slug that has breached my cake? Or something else altogether?
I have similar on 3 of 10 cakes, all have been fully white 3/5 days now. Should I dunk them all? Just the few with pins? None of them yet and wait til the last one pins?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27147344 - 01/14/21 09:08 AM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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I have a 16” sealer, but it’s only 2mm which means it sucks IMO. I had to order mine from this place in jersey with some nasty shipping and duty on it. But after using it a couple times it was all worth every penny.
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27147347 - 01/14/21 09:10 AM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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I'm definitely going to get 5mm. I'm going to get that exact sealer that I linked when I get payed. I should probably get around to building that hood as well.
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filthyknees
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 1
#27147372 - 01/14/21 09:29 AM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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if one was going to consider presealing in order to stack up X spawn bags to be innoced a week later to be 100% certain it is sealed that would be the situation I see presesling being useful.
Now everyone who does bags knows they seal themselves in the pc, but even with fair handling, maybe a bag gets nudged on a shelf moving things around the next day and an unsealed bag may have a little lip open up. As a hypothetical to play devil's advocate.
And even if let's say one was like I mentioned stacking up X number of bags during the week on their garage shelf, when the innoc happens and the bags are being unwrapped, sprayed and wiped there is some (small) percentage of bags that will open slightly at the top especially during the wiping.
I think of presealing like a safety in the case of not unloading directly into the flow from the pc, but still being able to really wipe it down hard not wondering is the bags gonna open up on me a half an inch before it's wiped down completely and become a vector.
I recall verum had a thread leaving a handful of unsealed bags out for a couple weeks and they worked fine. The question would be would it be worth the risk to extrapolate that out to 50 or 100 bags, maybe all 100% would be fine, but it where me and I was stacking 100 bags on a shelf to innoc later I'd take the 10 extra minutes to preseal 100 bags but could be verging on ocd.
I've also left plenty of unsealed bags sit on the shelf for weeks, wiped it down and innoced it just fine. So I go back and forth but I see how it could save a bag or two.
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: filthyknees]
#27147397 - 01/14/21 09:49 AM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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I didn't consider leaving them on the shelf.
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AyePlus
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27147406 - 01/14/21 09:56 AM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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I pre seal every thing 
Less likely to take on water, and dont have to inoculate them all at once.
My PC capacity (941 and 921), is exactly one bag of grain prepped. And it perfectly fills the two pots i use to prep. So i always cook a full-batch even if I dont need them.
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#27147408 - 01/14/21 09:58 AM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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You've had bags take on water?
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mind.at.large
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27147424 - 01/14/21 10:14 AM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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Hmm that’s interesting to hear that pinholes occur with more regularity when reaching 20 psi... I have been dealing with the occasional pinhole and I run 2 hrs at 20 psi. How long of a cycle do y’all usually run if it’s less than 20 psi?
I have been only using the 3 mil unicorn bags and I love them for their thickness and sturdiness but like I mentioned, pinholes every once in a while...
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natedawgnow
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I do 3hrs minimum at 17psi (at over 8000ft now)
Sometimes I do 3.5hrs if I'm not on a time crunch
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27147436 - 01/14/21 10:21 AM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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Thank nate!
I’m at sea level so maybe I’ll try out 17 psi at 3 hours. I feel spoiled with my AA75x and timer... it makes it so much easier to increase sterilizing times haha
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I pre-seal. I have no flowhood so I'm not reopening the bag. I have cheap sealers that easily seal the virgin bags the first time every time. Sealing after the PC run is a crinkly wet pain. I have a leather hole punch that I use, then slip a "S" hook into it and hang in my lab to inflate. Easy.
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Edited by tedoro (01/14/21 10:35 AM)
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junk_f00d


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27147496 - 01/14/21 11:02 AM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I confess that while I didn’t watch the video, I don’t run bags over 17 psi because of the risk of pinholes.
It was only about 30 seconds of relevant material, FWIW. I didn't know about this pinhole thing so thanks.
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p9hu7 said: I let my 75x resch 20psi and then lower the dial until it clicks off around 7 on the dial. My psi drops to just about where the green band starts (17psi) before the element comes back on and goes back to 20psi. It takes about an hour to an hour and 15 for it to start whistling and then I vent for 20 mins. I cycle for 4 hours.
My bags always seal and never have holes. The only time I ever got holes was when I accordion folded. I don't even get finicky about matching the gussets, they are haphazardly wrapped over with the filter facing up, no accordion fold, no seal.
Edited due to post being backwards somehow. Sometimes my phone cursor jumps back to the beginning without noticing.
Well I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong then. I'll try running at a lower PSI and see if that does it, but I have a feeling it won't. I haven't noticed pinholes either but it's very possible they're there.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27147517 - 01/14/21 11:12 AM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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Quote:
filthyknees said: if one was going to consider presealing in order to stack up X spawn bags to be innoced a week later to be 100% certain it is sealed that would be the situation I see presesling being useful.
Now everyone who does bags knows they seal themselves in the pc, but even with fair handling, maybe a bag gets nudged on a shelf moving things around the next day and an unsealed bag may have a little lip open up. As a hypothetical to play devil's advocate.
And even if let's say one was like I mentioned stacking up X number of bags during the week on their garage shelf, when the innoc happens and the bags are being unwrapped, sprayed and wiped there is some (small) percentage of bags that will open slightly at the top especially during the wiping.
I think of presealing like a safety in the case of not unloading directly into the flow from the pc, but still being able to really wipe it down hard not wondering is the bags gonna open up on me a half an inch before it's wiped down completely and become a vector.
I recall verum had a thread leaving a handful of unsealed bags out for a couple weeks and they worked fine. The question would be would it be worth the risk to extrapolate that out to 50 or 100 bags, maybe all 100% would be fine, but it where me and I was stacking 100 bags on a shelf to innoc later I'd take the 10 extra minutes to preseal 100 bags but could be verging on ocd.
I've also left plenty of unsealed bags sit on the shelf for weeks, wiped it down and innoced it just fine. So I go back and forth but I see how it could save a bag or two.
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p9hu7 said: I didn't consider leaving them on the shelf.
I am leaving them on the shelf, partly due to Verum's success with it, with the intent to debug the contam issues I've been having with inoculated bags. They contaminate before I even inoculate though, so it's not the wiping but maybe the movement from PC to flowhood to shelf (or PC to shelf if already cool). Trying to figure it out, and thanks for the help. I think I'm going to order some new bags just to rule out that vector. Whether inoculated or not, I generally see the contams in my bags after the 2-3 week mark.
Edited by junk_f00d (01/14/21 11:20 AM)
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Culliganman360
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: junk_f00d] 1
#27147670 - 01/14/21 12:33 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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I do prepless bags just ran 160. They all were good, been spawned for 3 days now.. I load 1500 g birdseed and 700 g water. 6 bags to 1 presto 23- 2 stacks of 3 Load em so the filters are facing bags not pc, put all my open ends of the bags toward the bottom of pc . The low stack of 3 that’s touching the water I fold it normally then tuck the open end in to the fold so it won’t suck in water. Double fold.. And pc for 3 1/2- 4 hr . Only problem I had is my cheap ass sealer/scale don’t seal all my bags the same.
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GypsyBastard
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Quote:
Culliganman360 said: I do prepless bags just ran 160. They all were good, been spawned for 3 days now.. I load 1500 g birdseed and 700 g water. 6 bags to 1 presto 23- 2 stacks of 3 Load em so the filters are facing bags not pc, put all my open ends of the bags toward the bottom of pc . The low stack of 3 that’s touching the water I fold it normally then tuck the open end in to the fold so it won’t suck in water. Double fold.. And pc for 3 1/2- 4 hr . Only problem I had is my cheap ass sealer/scale don’t seal all my bags the same.
Doesn't get much simpler than that man. Thanks for that, I'm gonna give it a try. maybe that with some zipties and this can be simpler than grain jars.
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starbones
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27147806 - 01/14/21 01:42 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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Any of you doing the 20g LME 20g dextrose to 500ml LC recipe? Normally I've been keeping my nutes super low but eh..
Can't remember the thread but I think it was hamloaf that said it makes a super thick culture that goes apeshit on grains. I could be misremembering.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27147855 - 01/14/21 02:08 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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I would love if somebody did a detailed write up on bags.
It’s surprisingly tough to find anything useful on them without going off shroomery.
Plus it seems like everybody has a totally different method.
Lol I just ran my first couple hwfp bags and made the mistake of adding the pellets and water to the bag and then spinning it shut to let it absorb. That completely ruined the creases and gussets and made it super hard to close up.
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27147866 - 01/14/21 02:14 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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I fold wrinkly gussets all day, it doesn't need to be nice and perfect, the sides stick together quite well once the vacuum sucks all of the air out.
I used to fold the gussets all nice and neat, sometimes it would take a few tries and it was getting old and time consuming. Now I just fold wrap them around the bag without much fuss and it seals just fine.
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Failboat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27147869 - 01/14/21 02:16 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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 Seems like I should clean this up...
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