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Inocuole
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I leave my subs as uncompressed as possible. Light and fluffy gives the myc the best opportunity to pin where you want it to, and allows it to hold a bit more moisture than if it were packed. Since hydration is a factor in flush size and the occurrence of aborts, I feel like smashing it down isn't conducive to a good yield. But if you have contrary experience, then cool.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#27129013 - 01/05/21 06:32 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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See I don't smash it down. I have a meat tenderizer that's one of those wide flat square guys. I just push the sub down snug. I'm not rough or anything with it but its tamped.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushhead] 3
#27129115 - 01/05/21 07:18 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Gotta agree with Inoc that ideally you want your stuff to be as airy and fluffy as possible.
For people like myself that don't use liners you have to tamp down the sub a bit tho, especially around the edges or else it's very likely you'll get side pins.
Compressing too much will make things less aerobic, slowing growth down a lot and giving better conditions to bacteria to flourish. Spawning slightly bacterial jars and compressing too much can be a recipe for disaster and it's likely you'll notice the tub getting a bit smelly just a few days after spawning.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
#27129126 - 01/05/21 07:23 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Josex said: Gotta agree with Inoc that ideally you want your stuff to be as airy and fluffy as possible.
For people like myself that don't use liners you have to tamp down the sub a bit tho, especially around the edges or else it's very likely you'll get side pins.
Compressing too much will make things less aerobic, slowing growth down a lot and giving better conditions to bacteria to flourish. Spawning slightly bacterial jars and compressing too much can be a recipe for disaster and it's likely you'll notice the tub getting a bit smelly just a few days after spawning.
Dude, I didnt tamp the sides of my first tubs and got crazy side pins. The last set of tubs, I used a liner on two of the tubs and the rest I tamped the sides down real excessive like and no side pins. I was pretty happy with the results.
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doctor Mario] 3
#27129623 - 01/06/21 02:47 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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I tamp the sides. Field capacity coir is kinda spongy anyway imo so even if you tamp down too hard itll spring back.
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Inthepit
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27129691 - 01/06/21 04:57 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Oh, I liked that hat! Ackchyually!
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King87
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#27129762 - 01/06/21 06:14 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Just about to make a SAB... a tek I'm following says to make the holes as if you are going to operate with the box upside down, and take the lid off and have a towel instead as your working base - is this what most people do, as opposed to just having it normal way up with the lid on top?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: King87]
#27129768 - 01/06/21 06:20 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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King87 said: Just about to make a SAB... a tek I'm following says to make the holes as if you are going to operate with the box upside down, and take the lid off and have a towel instead as your working base - is this what most people do, as opposed to just having it normal way up with the lid on top?
A super hot 4" coffee can melts great holes. Be sure to sit in front of the SAB and imagine yer arms going thru the holes. Here's mine, it's 90 qrt. 
Edited by Inthepit (01/06/21 06:23 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: King87]
#27129813 - 01/06/21 07:14 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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King87 said: Just about to make a SAB... a tek I'm following says to make the holes as if you are going to operate with the box upside down, and take the lid off and have a towel instead as your working base - is this what most people do, as opposed to just having it normal way up with the lid on top?
You will need to look through the top at times so having a lid on top, unless it is clear of course, would prevent that. However, in my old one, I had a picture frame silconed in to it to give a more clear view. I suppose that could be done to the lid but I think working on your work surface instead the lid(or bottom) also helps to prevent air currents. This tubs are usually kinda bowed or warped and can sort of pop when sitting things down or picking them up which can create current.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27129850 - 01/06/21 07:58 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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I use a flipped box with no lid so I dont make contact with the box. Box movements are no good imo
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27129938 - 01/06/21 09:42 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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me too
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27129954 - 01/06/21 09:54 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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mushboy said: I use a flipped box with no lid so I dont make contact with the box. Box movements are no good imo

Thanks all - I'm going with that option!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: King87]
#27129985 - 01/06/21 10:13 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Thinking of taking stem butts that were gonna hit the garbage and other assorted stuff like small/broken fruits, drying them out then throwing them through my grinder to powder them as a supplement to grain spawn. Just add it to the jars and PC as normal.
Figure there must be all the stuff mycelium likes in the things mycelium grew. Chitin, aminos and blah blah. Kind of like how healthy strong myc will devour a low stump.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27130027 - 01/06/21 10:32 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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I've got my hands on a cheap PC in the UK, any idea if this will get to 15psi, I can't see any mention in the manual, all it states is:
"SAFETY DATA 1. Working pressure: 80 + 8Kpa. 2. Safety pressure 112-160Kpa."
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1400478/Prima-Kitchenware-11188c.html?page=2#manual
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: King87]
#27130039 - 01/06/21 10:36 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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80kpa is 11 or so psi. May work if you extend pc times by a bit.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27130123 - 01/06/21 11:13 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Spore load from Lions mane?
I searched and found some responses, but the conversation usually ends up being about oysters. I want to start lions mane as my first gourmet on a small scale. 2 or three bags or the equivalent. Do I need to be concerned about the spore load from that quantity of Lion's Mane venting in the house? Do I need to find a way to vent outdoors for a small grow?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27130130 - 01/06/21 11:16 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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mushboy said: I use a flipped box with no lid so I dont make contact with the box. Box movements are no good imo

Man, I dont even touch my box but after im done with my work, I put in a flashlight and inspect if any particles fly around, and what do you know, they indeed do! even though before starting, the air was indeed still and no guck was flying. It's not anything dramatic, just microstuff but still too many on a microlevel. For what its worth, I have had extremely few agar contaminations and almost all bacterial, I havent had big contam trouble but still those flying stuff dont leave me in peace. And I dont even move my hands fast or anything, no idea how they end up in there
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
#27130172 - 01/06/21 11:33 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Is this bad form?.....
I have a huge 100cc syringe with one of those basting needles on the end, which is what, 1/16 inside diameter...
I torch it til orange outside my SAB and bring it inside to puncture the cleaned myco bag, then I masking tape the hole.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27130194 - 01/06/21 11:43 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Masking tape over the hole sounds sketch to me, masking tape comes off easy and is nasty on the edges. I would personally do a fresh bandaid over the puncture and packing tape over that.
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mushhead
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27130215 - 01/06/21 11:55 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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I have used Duct tape do cover holes on bag. I'd place one piece of duct tape on the inoc point, clean it with iso or whatever, do your inoculation, and then cover with another piece of duct tape. This has worked for me, but its like 80% success rate on my end.
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