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GypsyBastard
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27115157 - 12/29/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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tedoro said:
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Quirkmeister92 said: I think I'm gonna get a cheap body weight scale for grain prep. I like measuring my coir and water so I guess dialing in my bags and grain would be smart. I like 1 bag 1 tub but IDK the perfect amount of grain per bag. Just loaded 4 bags of oats each ~5qt of oats. Fit the presto just right, but maybe 5 bags each at 4qt would be more efficient. 
Yah. I am a bit amazed more people don't do this. I have a cheap 25lb scale and all my shit is measured every time. Its so easy. I no-prep, pre-seal dry wheat berries and boiling water to exact weight and it perfectly fills my presto 23 and I get no popped bags. Theres no way I could do that without weighing.
Tell me more about this no prep process if you don't mind. You add boiling water to bags then seal then PC?
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Failboat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27115188 - 12/29/20 11:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wasn't smitten with no-prep oat bags, but I suspect had I gone with a smaller amount if oats per bag the hydration would have been more balanced and might be just right. Im more interested in finding my ideal amount of materials to add per tub at each step to achieve maximum output. No prep is convenient for exact measurements.
Ill try noprep bags again in the morning. I can make do with my kitchen scale. Smells like a write up and possible tek in the works here...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27115303 - 12/30/20 01:32 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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Why does a liner stop side pins? Is it from blocking light? Or from blocking FAE that gets in as the sub shrinks? Or from redirecting the pooling?
I saw a tek where he used 2 liners, one sticks to the tub, other sticks to the sub, which to me indicates keeping away FAE
I was wondering if using opaque tape around the sides to block the light might also help, and maybe avoid using liner but be better than nothing. idk, thoughts? Any other methods of stopping side pins?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: RamJam] 1
#27115310 - 12/30/20 01:39 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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It's about promoting evaporation from the top of the substrate. The myc will cling to the plastic and so by restricting FAE on sides other than the top, surface conditions are ideal for canopy growth.
Blocking light is not beneficial.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
#27115314 - 12/30/20 01:46 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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Phony Phone said: There are some small guys left over after harvest that dont seem to grow. The are not aborts. Can they rot?
If they dont grow to maturity why arent they aborts? They can rot if theres bacteria in the tub and they can mold if theres mold spores but if neither they may fuzz over with healthy myc
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27115350 - 12/30/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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Tell me more about this no prep process if you don't mind. You add boiling water to bags then seal then PC?
I live in a communal building and hate having a ton of smelly grains drying, and I don't own a flowhood, so I need to pre-seal bags. Its been a long road for testing. I think I've prepped wheat and rye a dozen different ways... But I have arrived at pouring the exact amount of boiling water into a myco bag with dry wheat berries and loading four of those into a presto 23. The bags are loose in the PC with lots of extra room. I then bring the PC up to 190f for 3.5 hours. The berries hydrate and take up all the water, without cooking the berries to mush... expanding to fill the PC perfectly. Then I PC the bags for 2.5 hours @250f. At zero PSI I pull the bags and hang them. Noccing them with LI syringes when cool enough. The grains are beautiful, dryish and colonize quickly. I'm making them at 50.5% water content including the water in the dry berries. And its super easy to add or substract a 1/2 percentage point of water content the next go around if you think adjustments are needed. I'll be trying 205f hydrating PC temps next go around to see if I can shave a bit of time off the 3.5 hours of hydrating. It sounds like a lot of time, but its super easy, as you are not moving around loose grains, which is a pain. I'm in a good mood the whole process... I do two PC runs in a day.
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Sankhara
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27115412 - 12/30/20 04:19 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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What do you people think of this technique for growing cubes? I was thinking of using the same techniques as with muda bottles but digging a whole and doing g2g.
Muda said jars give sidepins but a higher substrate level up to the neck of the jar should solve the problem.
Also im curious of how they may stand up with subsequent flushes as the substrate shrinks. Would it lead to a lot of sidepins down the line?
Im a small grower so, the more simple I can make things the better
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sankhara]
#27115510 - 12/30/20 06:22 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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I’ve never messed with those but it doesn’t seem like it’d be any easier than normal.
For simplicity I think grow bags are it. There’s lots of awesome grows where it’s just a bag that’s knocked up and when it’s done they cut it open and harvest.
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Sankhara
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27115538 - 12/30/20 06:50 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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Yeah, the main problem with bags is that here in argentina they are crazy expensive if you are even lucky finding them.
Yes i guess you are right its seems a bit more involved than traditional methods.
I like the simplicity of the bottle but i dont have the balls to make LC
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ironcap
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smalltalk_canceled said: A flush of 50wet from 70grams of grain, is 140%. How good is that for cubes, rustywhytes or golden teachers
I admire your enthusiasm, but if you are talking bio-efficiency, you need to include the entire dry weight of the substrate (not just the grains). However, lets assume you fruited on grain with a small amount of casing material (say 30 grams) your bio-efficiency would be 50 wet divided by 100 dry for 50%.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ironcap]
#27115787 - 12/30/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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Does anybody have no soup no simmer recipe for whole oats like how much water per grains before Pcing
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BrownBear
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75g of water per 100g of oats works well.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27115813 - 12/30/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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Thank you bro. I was in a time crunch too, and you came through
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27115842 - 12/30/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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Will 20 psi for an hour or suffice
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It depends on what you are sterilizing and how much you are putting into the pc at a time. Imo, I would still run it for at least 90 minutes though.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27115864 - 12/30/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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Ok. You know I’ve always been weird about this but for some reason I can’t bring myself to boiling water in my PC before I put the lid on because I feel like they won’t match up properly with the temperature difference even though it’s aluminum am I crazy
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BrownBear
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Man, do I not miss running a presto or any other brand like them. Its a pita replacing the rubber gasket when they wear out and having to stretch them out before putting it and the lid on.
If I remember correctly, you should let the water begin to boil first. Probably helps make a better seal.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27115889 - 12/30/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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I used to boil first and the put the lid on but I hated messing around above the steam... I load mine up and get it sealed tight and then turn on the heat... haven't had an issue that I can tell...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: roarkell]
#27115956 - 12/30/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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I don’t have a presto lol. But yeah, I clamp down before I turn up the heat
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