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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27109870 - 12/26/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I mean I get that some cultures work out fine.. I’m not trying to say it’s an absolute.. more times than not, PE will blob based on what I’ve seen personally and with others.. they add a peat casing and bam, problem fixed..I’m saying, start with the thick casing.. what I haven’t seen, personally, is PE blob with one.

I mean, I’d rather not case too, hence trying to cross PE to get rid of the need.. I’m just recommending if ppl want to dabble in PE and not end up frustrated, your best bet to go with the peat casing.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27109872 - 12/26/20 11:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think alot of it has to do with evaporation of surface moisture. Its easier to get good surface evaporation with a casing and not dry out the bulk of the sub.  Less so with a top layer that gets engulfed in myc but its better than none

this one was just a coir verm toplayer.  But genetics plays a role as well


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
    #27109878 - 12/26/20 11:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I hear ya and you’re not wrong generally speaking. But I’d rather hunt clones than pasteurize peat.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27109880 - 12/26/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
    #27109887 - 12/26/20 11:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thats why ive just been growing pe as a novelty lately.  And what faht said with the crosses.  Melmak is ok but takes forever to fryit and to dry.  Peat is sooo much messier than coir and if your pasteurization isnt 100% then theres alot of work down the drain.  It is a nice moisture buffer in outdoor grows tho. And being able to make a proper casing is a good skill to have under your belt IMO


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #27109975 - 12/27/20 02:04 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

This is good information about PE, love to read what you guys have to say. I'm also going to be starting my PE adventure for LAGM here soon and wanted to know more about the casing. I've heard about jiffy mix forever and have also heard just good ole coir verm works fine. I think i'm going to try one tub with each and see how it goes. If I can get away from having to pasteurize a casing layer that would be great but if it really ends up making that big of a difference to yield and less blobbage then I shall learn.

Is frank's way of pasteurization still relevant? I like the idea of just tossing it into a bag with a thermometer poked in for an hour. But Ted's method seems more foolproof with the inkbird.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: lookintolearn]
    #27110017 - 12/27/20 03:36 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

i personally always had better results when i grew pe when i cased it with my usual 50/50 peat and coarse grade verm with a lil bit if calcium carbonate for ph balance. in the 7-8 range. ive just had bad results with coir in casings all together as they seem to mold fast as hell compared to the peat and verm mix.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jcm4620]
    #27110022 - 12/27/20 03:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

My first run with PE I ran two cased shoeboxes and one with a top layer. The cased ones were awesome and the top layer one had a couple egg sized blobs.


Just one grow so not saying much but since then I’ve always ran cased tubs and only had one other one that blobbed out even with a 1/3” case.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #27110219 - 12/27/20 06:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I think alot of it has to do with evaporation of surface moisture. Its easier to get good surface evaporation with a casing and not dry out the bulk of the sub.  Less so with a top layer that gets engulfed in myc but its better than none

this one was just a coir verm toplayer.  But genetics plays a role as well



I like those caps, semperviva-esque


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #27110239 - 12/27/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Looking for opinions\input of fruiting teks for BRF cakes.

SGFC was always used in the past but have seen a lot of talk of the water tub lately. Some quick research and interest piqued. 12-15 cakes ready to fruit within the next week so sorting pros and cons of various teks and method and would love some personal input. First run since getting back to cult and just like hearing what all have changed in popular opinion and such. :smile:
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
    #27110271 - 12/27/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Go with a water tub id say. Much easier as equally efective


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sankhara]
    #27110277 - 12/27/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry if this is asked somewhere else but I cannot find good info.

Can I inoculate bags(g2g) from the pc that are still warm to the touch?
Is there a certain temp to wait for?

I know I have had success at like 100f but I was curious If I could g2g at like 120-140f


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
    #27110288 - 12/27/20 08:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Looking for opinions\input of fruiting teks for BRF cakes.

SGFC was always used in the past but have seen a lot of talk of the water tub lately. Some quick research and interest piqued. 12-15 cakes ready to fruit within the next week so sorting pros and cons of various teks and method and would love some personal input. First run since getting back to cult and just like hearing what all have changed in popular opinion and such. :smile:
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Quadryder]
    #27110294 - 12/27/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Sorry if this is asked somewhere else but I cannot find good info.

Can I inoculate bags(g2g) from the pc that are still warm to the touch?
Is there a certain temp to wait for?

I know I have had success at like 100f but I was curious If I could g2g at like 120-140f



I don't have a solid answer but I remember grainbrain did a test with hot spawning 150°f coir that worked.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25349789/fpart/1/vc/1

So maybe worth a try on a bag but wouldn't put all eggs in that basket but could work if grainbrains test translates.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: The Fresh Prints]
    #27110305 - 12/27/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Looking for opinions\input of fruiting teks for BRF cakes.

SGFC was always used in the past but have seen a lot of talk of the water tub lately. Some quick research and interest piqued. 12-15 cakes ready to fruit within the next week so sorting pros and cons of various teks and method and would love some personal input. First run since getting back to cult and just like hearing what all have changed in popular opinion and such. :smile:
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Nice, I think I might be sold on it. Any tips or quirks you've noticed in use? Or just soak the coir, skew the lid and don't be an idiot kinda thing?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
    #27110313 - 12/27/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Lol to be honest I have never run cakes, but if I was going to, that's the tek I would start with. Mateah ("some dude" now) has always impressed me with his cake skills.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: The Fresh Prints]
    #27110316 - 12/27/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think the water tub is Mateah too


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
    #27110317 - 12/27/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Nice, I think I might be sold on it. Any tips or quirks you've noticed in use? Or just soak the coir, skew the lid and don't be an idiot kinda thing?




Yep.  If you've done cakes before there won't be any surprises.  Could also skip the coir and just put a couple of inches of water in the tub like so

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26601054/fpart/all/vc/1


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: The Fresh Prints]
    #27110322 - 12/27/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Gypsy i'd really advice you go with a water tub, its much simpler and easier to set up and you wont waste coir. Both tubs work with the exact same machanics


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: filthyknees]
    #27110332 - 12/27/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't have a solid answer but I remember grainbrain did a test with hot spawning 150°f coir that worked.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25349789/fpart/1/vc/1

So maybe worth a try on a bag but wouldn't put all eggs in that basket but could work if grainbrains test translates.




Thanks filthy, I waited till 110f g2g'd 9 bags from 1 master qt jar, it was only 1/3 full.
I love g2g, so little goes so far :goodday:


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