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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
#27108891 - 12/26/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks. I have to order one because everything is shut down here. If I get it in time then I'll pasteurize, otherwise I'm just going to let it ride with the top layer that was on, top layer was eaten up though... I have some prepped coir thats been sitting in a bucket since the 16th, maybe ill try to case it with that.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27108917 - 12/26/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here's my discussion topic for today:
Thinking about the " commercial spore companies.
Let's take the basic GT variety for discussion sakes.
I come from 30 years in the cannabis industry, 4 years in mycology.
Unsure how large some of our sponsors might be, curious about spore production and lineage in general.
Do you think that they are constantly working from the same GT parent, clones to spores, year after year, or are they just taking spore prints from MS bulk grows?
Reason I ask, I'm finding less bunk / under potency from traders, than spore houses. I guess the question of the day is, are mass produced spores, from possibly multi generations of the same original genetics, kind of diluting genes? For example, take a sponsor on here selling GT spores, how many generations are they F20, F50? Are any outside GT lines coming into the " house?"
As a larger cannabis guru, there were times when a single mom for cloning or for breeding,I would grow out 100-150 mom's in search of the best possible genetics to work with for future genetic work.
Looking back at my mycology work, I have been more often disappointed in purchased spores, based on potency. I'm talking 50-50 is bunk. With trades etc, I'm finding about 10-15% below " average potency rate.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tstone]
#27108931 - 12/26/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Possibly.. I also think sponsors outsource their prints from trusted members of the OMC and make syringes from those. I think it use to be done that way anyhow
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tstone]
#27108939 - 12/26/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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How do you objectively determine potency?
I've used a couple long time sponsors on this website without experiencing any perceived potency that is below average. I've also never had any complaints from people who have tried out my boomers.
Any discussion on potency is pretty much always going to come down to anecdotal evidence, and it's pointless to discuss it without being able to properly determine the amount of actives.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
#27108949 - 12/26/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Takethe mainstream shit, GT, Amazon, B+, etc. I find these mainstream genetics are much more hit or miss. In the US, most production house inventory comes from Europe ( possibly),for legal reasons. But say one production house, been in biz for 30 years, are they working with the same GT line that they got their hands on 30 years ago?
How is potency determine?, In simple terms: from complete bunk, to a minimal eye twitch, to not being able to see my refrigerator. Perahps over 1000 experiences in my 35 years since I've been ingesting. Lol. When I say bunk, I mean bunk. Just my experience this far working with production spores, to private trades.
Yes, lots of variance in genetics, always a crap shoot. Just saying over the years, I've grown many more disappointing strains from production houses, then from trades, all of which is lots of agar work. Perhaps luck of the draw, perhaps not. That's why I started the convo.
Edited by Tstone (12/26/20 01:30 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tstone]
#27108999 - 12/26/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Currently working on my documentation-system of my grows in detail. Made a Growlog-Pattern, QR-Codes for scanning and more shit - Not necessary but I have a fable for very detailed documentation of my stuff.
So for now I'm a bit in trouble dealing with the definition of "generations".
So If I Starts from a Sporeprint, Agar transfers and later grain till I reach a tub with fruits. If I take spores from these fruits and redo the steps, I am now in Generation 2 - Is this right?
But what is if I take clones from fruits now and grow it out again - Is this stil Generation 1 ? So I just reach a new Generation with taking Spores from Gen 1 and grow them out to get in Gen2 ? And If I clone a fruit, do I increase my "transfer"-counter +1 or should I add another variable?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Schemenhaft]
#27109060 - 12/26/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’d hope if they’re growing their own to print they would either run ms or high quality clones only. That way no matter how much they produced it should only maintain or slightly increase the quality of genetics.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27109142 - 12/26/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Right? However just curious about the production houses. At $20 a print ( average) how much love really goes into the process, generally speaking. Nothing to do about clean prints or syringes, all about genetics.
Are cultures grown out, tested, or is all about mass spore prints? Just curious. True cannabis breeders spend years isolating characteristics, breeding for several generations to stabilize. However, those genetics do wear out. If I had a spore house, am I working with a 20 year old lineage? Honestly, I'm just curious. Are they taking spore prints from runts? Are they even particular about parent for that single spore print. Are they taking entire grows regardless of any uniformity, to make prints?
Big difference between small ops sharing 20 prints a month, to selling 2000?
Just curious how the production houses work.
All a grain of salt, absolutely no disregard toward any production house, none. In fact a big thank you to all of them. without them, lots would be in a different boat.
Kudos to them all, the scrutiny, and all the other legal ramifications and bullshit they have endured over the years. Truly, a huge thanks to them all.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tstone]
#27109152 - 12/26/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sporeworks uses some pretty stringent procedures and manages their cultures pretty carefully AFAIK. But they charge more like $40 a print while their syringes are a bit pricer compared to average. But you get what you pay for, I’d go with them over most outfits.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tstone]
#27109156 - 12/26/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Most depend on a guy, depends on how good that guy(s) are.
People do grow for prints here I assure you. Some names you recognize.
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Edited by filthyknees (12/26/20 02:57 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: filthyknees]
#27109184 - 12/26/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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So, spore production is outsourced, and really have no on site staff production folks.
Edited by Tstone (12/26/20 03:14 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: filthyknees]
#27109205 - 12/26/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
filthyknees said: Most depend on a guy, depends on how good that guy(s) are.
People do grow for prints here I assure you. Some names you recognize.
 I imagine it might be a safety thing to. If you're selling prints publicly, it probably makes you an easy target for investigation.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
#27109221 - 12/26/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just curious about overall commercial processes. I know that there are bigger cultivation houses in Europe, which exporting spores is not alwa a huge issue, as spores are federally legal in the US.. To be honest, kinda thought spore distributos have production houses, or partnerships, or vested interests in oversees cultivating facilities, as spore importation not really an issue.
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Edited by Tstone (12/26/20 03:41 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tstone]
#27109229 - 12/26/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's probably more than one way to do it and I can't pretend to know how every distributor does it. I just know what filthy said is true and venturing a guess as to why it may be an advantage to do it that way.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
#27109245 - 12/26/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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So PE will generally yield more than APE?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
#27109250 - 12/26/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks gents, just a Saturday convo. Trust me, we should all thank the sponsors here. If not for them, who knows.. absolutely nothing to do with sponsors, just a genetic generation convo.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tstone]
#27109257 - 12/26/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah in my experience PE yields more than just about anything.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27109377 - 12/26/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
#27109396 - 12/26/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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ya pe will give ya crazy weight from a small amount if fruits thats for damn sure. damn things get dense as hell
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jcm4620]
#27109425 - 12/26/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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So all things being equal, if you're the min/max type and say you could get nutso potency out of a fast fruiter like Averys would you rather run the longer fruiting PEs or grow the Averys out which overtime would be a yield competitor, over a certain span of time.
I'm about to play with my first slow fruiters and I'm hoping the time sink is worth it. The things I'm needing in my grows are a good potency, speed and yield. What attracted me to PE as a bulk cultivator was the potency and lack of a spore drop. I put it off until recently.
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