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Brian Jones
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#27087752 - 12/13/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Get a flat bottomed cup and fill it with boiling water and set it on the stack of condensed plates
I was having a hard time finding suitable flat bottom cups that are also wide enough to cover the whole plate. Then I remembered these Coleman camping cups I used to have. I looked them up and they were kind of pricy, but I found equivalent ones from Ozark Mountain at Walmart.
Also, per Bodhi, I bought a cheap infrared thermometer at Harbor Freight and start poring at 117F. And stack the empty plates in the still air box and pour from the bottom of the stack. He uses stacks of 10, I'm up to 9. It takes a little practice, but only the top of the stack will have condensation and require the hot cup treatment.
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sh4d0ws
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Brian Jones]
#27087758 - 12/13/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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infrared thermometers are perfect for agar
Definitely the way to go and they aren't that expensive either
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starbones
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#27087799 - 12/13/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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So looking to prep my WBS on the drier side of things I ran into those in jar preps for WBS that use like 500ml WBS to 150ml water or something. I'm thinking of lowering the amount of water, PCing and then doing my LC pours on the less hydrated grain. I gotta figure the carrier solution for the culture will get succ'd into the drier grains so I can use more LC per pour and not have colonization slowed due to wet jars.
Yay? Nay? Go roll in the hay?
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Moabfighter
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Shroomhunts]
#27087925 - 12/13/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shroomhunts said:
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Moabfighter said: Man I know this may not be the place, but hell I’ve been in this thread since less than page ten so fuck it. This is hard to type. This is my first time tripping in four years since the tribe last helped me concoct this magic mushroom. I do not like how it makes my nose and senses. Smoking a big dirty bong feels quite unpleasant with each rip. Feels noxious.
Anyway. I picked up 50lbs of organic red milo earlier. Should make for some nice stuff. Also found a few pounds of organic millet? Yellow. Earlier at the organic grocery store. Can’t wait. Have a good night everyone
How much did the grains cost you, I've been using wbs and oats as long as I can remember but looking for lower cost lower hassle spawn.
It was 30 USD for 50lbs of pure red milo. Organic and there are quite a few twigs and shit per handful but I’m extremely happy with what I see. The brand is new country organics
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smalltalk_canceled
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
#27087930 - 12/13/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can't get bags to work for straw, already wanted like 30 bags, 4h roughly 1 kg of straw water in the bags
Increasing to 5 (pc time) and then giving up
Using 0,5 micron bags, clumsy SAB transfers and 4 hour pc time, like 90% bags contamed
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Shroomhunts
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That's kinda steep, I can get oats 10$ for 50lb bag and wbs even cheaper though I usually opt for the good brand and pay extra.
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Yeetusdeetus



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Shroomhunts]
#27088004 - 12/13/20 09:36 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think you’ll have a hard time finding a cheaper grain than oats. Maybe wheat but most places oats are cheaper I think
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The Fresh Prints
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
#27088010 - 12/13/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Moabfighter said:
It was 30 USD for 50lbs of pure red milo. Organic and there are quite a few twigs and shit per handful but I’m extremely happy with what I see. The brand is new country organics
I used Azure because I can't find milo at my local feed store. Decent price, but the delivery is weird. They just drop it off in some lady's driveway and I pick it up after work.
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Failboat
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The Dalcassian
Dirty Druggie



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Schemenhaft] 1
#27088167 - 12/14/20 01:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Try kilner jars from the UK might be easier to find online than the American brands.
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Lenz
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Does anyone regularly do 7-8 myco quarts per tub?
I've been doing 5 for most of my tubs and it works great but I don't have the space for a lot of tubs and I figured increasing the amount of spawn per tub would be an easy way to increase yield per tub while I clone hunt.
Seems like most people don't do more than like 5-6 myco quarts though, is there any reason not to up the spawn and have a thick ass substrate with like a 1:2.5 ratio?
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MLPismyOPSEC
That One Ponyfucker


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
#27088269 - 12/14/20 05:21 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Each culture is going to be different, but there is a reason why 5-6 qts seems to be the magic number. There is an equilibrium point between amount of spawn and maximum yield, and i'd be willing to bet 5-6 qts (in a 56/64qt mono) would be a pretty common figure. As long as your sub is between 2" and 4" deep, and your ratio is somewhere between 1:1 and 1:4, then keep on trucking! Want more yield? Make more tubs 
Since bags have been a topic lately, i could use some advice. I think i know what to try next but here's what i have done. I keep popping bags to a rate of about 50%. Presealed Unicorn 14As (straight from the source, not fake bags), accordion fold, Prestos, 3 qts water that doesn't run dry, gas stove, one layer of jar rings under the bottom trivet, another trivet on top, 10 minutes vent time, 3 hr cycle time, while they were cooling, every 10 minutes i turned the burners on for exactly 30 seconds so it took over an hour to reach 0 psi. And i packed seven 4 lb bags in each, it was a tight fit putting the lid on! I think i need to try jar rings on the outside (for complete sterilization reasons) and NOT preseal the bags (to prevent popping). I squeezed as much air out of the bags as possible, folded the gussets as perfectly flat for as long as i could before presealing.
Fuck, i was looking over the Myer's Mushroom video about bags to show as an example and just realized (probably) what i'm doing wrong. When i fold the tops of the bags, the filter patch is INSIDE the folds, making it impossible for the steam to escape, especially on cooldown when the bag vacuums itself together.
Thanks for the help guys
Edited by MLPismyOPSEC (12/14/20 05:36 AM)
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Ferbernardo
encephalon



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
#27088287 - 12/14/20 06:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey yaal, I'm starting growing Lion's Mane inside a grow tent and willing to buy leds, would you say that it's enough to buy these?:
https://neonica.eu/waterproof-ip68-led-strip-neonica-osram-duris-e5-300-led.html
I would buy 6200K. Also BONUS question, how would I set it up to electric socket? Ty Probably using this right?:
https://neonica.eu/led-driver-mean-well-150w-waterproof-ip67.html
Thanks for help!
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sandman420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferbernardo]
#27088314 - 12/14/20 07:04 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those will work great. I use LED strips on my shelves.
You just need any 12v power supply that provides enough watts to power all your strips. Then run a red and black wire to the +/- on the strip with the hopefully included square connector that clamps on the ends of the strips to provide power.
I found it best to not run more than about 20 feet of LEDS off one connection to the power source or the strips start to fade as it lengthens.
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tedoro
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
#27088459 - 12/14/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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MLPismyOPSEC said: Each culture is going to be different, but there is a reason why 5-6 qts seems to be the magic number. There is an equilibrium point between amount of spawn and maximum yield, and i'd be willing to bet 5-6 qts (in a 56/64qt mono) would be a pretty common figure. As long as your sub is between 2" and 4" deep, and your ratio is somewhere between 1:1 and 1:4, then keep on trucking! Want more yield? Make more tubs 
Since bags have been a topic lately, i could use some advice. I think i know what to try next but here's what i have done. I keep popping bags to a rate of about 50%. Presealed Unicorn 14As (straight from the source, not fake bags), accordion fold, Prestos, 3 qts water that doesn't run dry, gas stove, one layer of jar rings under the bottom trivet, another trivet on top, 10 minutes vent time, 3 hr cycle time, while they were cooling, every 10 minutes i turned the burners on for exactly 30 seconds so it took over an hour to reach 0 psi. And i packed seven 4 lb bags in each, it was a tight fit putting the lid on! I think i need to try jar rings on the outside (for complete sterilization reasons) and NOT preseal the bags (to prevent popping). I squeezed as much air out of the bags as possible, folded the gussets as perfectly flat for as long as i could before presealing.
Fuck, i was looking over the Myer's Mushroom video about bags to show as an example and just realized (probably) what i'm doing wrong. When i fold the tops of the bags, the filter patch is INSIDE the folds, making it impossible for the steam to escape, especially on cooldown when the bag vacuums itself together.
Thanks for the help guys 
Try to study the bags when you pull them out, to see where they popped. My guess is that they popped as they filled the voids between the bags... the plastic got weak, expanded and popped. This is hastened by letting any steam bleed from the bobble/valve when the bags have reached full temp. I made a thread on the topic. (advice on first post) https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26282176
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pureshrooming
feels like a stranger


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
#27088481 - 12/14/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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MLPismyOPSEC said: Each culture is going to be different, but there is a reason why 5-6 qts seems to be the magic number. There is an equilibrium point between amount of spawn and maximum yield, and i'd be willing to bet 5-6 qts (in a 56/64qt mono) would be a pretty common figure. As long as your sub is between 2" and 4" deep, and your ratio is somewhere between 1:1 and 1:4, then keep on trucking! Want more yield? Make more tubs 
Since bags have been a topic lately, i could use some advice. I think i know what to try next but here's what i have done. I keep popping bags to a rate of about 50%. Presealed Unicorn 14As (straight from the source, not fake bags), accordion fold, Prestos, 3 qts water that doesn't run dry, gas stove, one layer of jar rings under the bottom trivet, another trivet on top, 10 minutes vent time, 3 hr cycle time, while they were cooling, every 10 minutes i turned the burners on for exactly 30 seconds so it took over an hour to reach 0 psi. And i packed seven 4 lb bags in each, it was a tight fit putting the lid on! I think i need to try jar rings on the outside (for complete sterilization reasons) and NOT preseal the bags (to prevent popping). I squeezed as much air out of the bags as possible, folded the gussets as perfectly flat for as long as i could before presealing.
Fuck, i was looking over the Myer's Mushroom video about bags to show as an example and just realized (probably) what i'm doing wrong. When i fold the tops of the bags, the filter patch is INSIDE the folds, making it impossible for the steam to escape, especially on cooldown when the bag vacuums itself together.
Thanks for the help guys 
I had the same damn problem and just a couple days ago saw someone post that the filter needs to be facing outside to allow steam escape. Immediately fixed my popped bag problem... the feeling of relief opening the PC and pulling out 6 perfect bags was almost like seeing my first ever pins in a tub lol
What layout are you doing to fit 7? I can fit 6 and have noticed there is a bit of spare room left but it doesn't seem like enough for another 4 lb bag
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Schemenhaft
Oachkatzlschwoaf



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Looking for new Spawnboxes also, wanna go for a new system for next year. What do u guys pay for a good box around 40-55litres with lid? For my current 65l boxes I'll have to pay around 10€
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tedoro
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Schemenhaft] 1
#27088526 - 12/14/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Schemenhaft said: Looking for new Spawnboxes also, wanna go for a new system for next year. What do u guys pay for a good box around 40-55litres with lid? For my current 65l boxes I'll have to pay around 10€
I've switched to low profile 28q sterilite containers, but it must be said, they are harder to dial in... the crack is right there, next to the substrate. Here in the states... $5-ish
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Schemenhaft
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27088565 - 12/14/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for anywering, I am also thinking about going for smaller tubs but more of them. Seems like a bit more work in the beginning but for maybe unnoticed contaminations its better to toss 1/20 boxes than tossing 1/5 boxes. Currently not sure, in the end I still habe 5 tubs with 65l here, which is waaay more box-space as I could spawn in the next 3 months.
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Something interesting happened - I know its not the best Idea to go that way but i tried it just because I was interested what will happen. Bought a growkit to clone later and get sporeprints - Was bored last week thursday and shaped of a bit of thick mycelium because no pins til now.
Made 3 transfers to agar, I have known it will be full of contamination. Tried to go same way as I go with fruits - cut a inner part. Two of them have bacterial infection, maybe I can clean up, we will see, they still grow very well.
The third one I dunked in 70% Isopropanol, gave it some minutes in the SAB under unpoured Agar-plate and then transfered it to an Agar-plate. Thought til today this part will be dead, thought yesterday I am right because couldnt see anything happening in relation to the other transfers. This evening I was able to see a good start of myc growing and til now the plate looks 100% clean.
What do u guys think about this? Just extremely lucky that it grows without contamination or maybe not that stupid? Read something similar but not the way with 70% iso.
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Sankhara
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Schemenhaft]
#27088620 - 12/14/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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So.. i did 6 small brf "pucks" to inoculate with an old syringe and surprisingly all 6 grew incredibly well, so well indeed that i'm planning on fruiting them for some ATL#7 prints.
I was planning on transfering to agar with a Josex Poke, but what do you guys vote for?
Should i just YOLO it into a jar? Or should i do be a good mycologist and transfer to another plate?
You decide! VOTE!
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