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Sankhara
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MH5109]
#27083443 - 12/11/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its looking gooood
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sankhara]
#27083570 - 12/11/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Still can't solve the condensation-Problem with my agar-plates. Made yesterday 20 more, they were resting for 15h in my SAB without wrapping them - Most of them were fine, just the top-ones as they should be. Now I have back again on 70% of them crazy condensation or water flowing around the top of my agar, 4h after wrapping them.
Any ideas how to find a solution? They are the whole time in the same room, with the same radiator-level. Maybe the night could be a problem, the radiators get shut down in the night between 11pm-5am, but thats a point I can't change, its a central house-setting. This is so awful, I can't see anything from the top...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Schemenhaft]
#27083575 - 12/11/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Does anyone know how pelletized calcitic lime fairs compared to hydrated lime for peat casings? I was planning on grinding it up with a mortar and pestle. I know I’ll probably need more of the pellets than I’d need if I was using hydrated but if it’s fine to use I’ll just adjust with a ph meter
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Schemenhaft said: Still can't solve the condensation-Problem with my agar-plates. Made yesterday 20 more, they were resting for 15h in my SAB without wrapping them - Most of them were fine, just the top-ones as they should be. Now I have back again on 70% of them crazy condensation or water flowing around the top of my agar, 4h after wrapping them.
Any ideas how to find a solution? They are the whole time in the same room, with the same radiator-level. Maybe the night could be a problem, the radiators get shut down in the night between 11pm-5am, but thats a point I can't change, its a central house-setting. This is so awful, I can't see anything from the top...
Put your plates in a tote before temp drops, wrap it with a blanket if that’s not enough insulation. I like the sterilite gasket totes because they fit on my shelves perfectly
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
#27083735 - 12/11/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Use of a flashlight usually helps one see through the condensation on the lids of pour plates. I keep one next to my flowhood.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27083818 - 12/11/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you're trying to get rid of condensation then leave your plates open on your sab with the holes covered or in front of your hood with the lids off for a few hours.
I agree with pasty as well, I have a little dome camping light i keep on the bottom of my sab that lets me look through the agar with a backlight
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wall.E]
#27083837 - 12/11/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep, what pasty said. use a flashlight. a phone light works well. The only reason condensation is a problem to me is if any kind of bacteria are on the edges of the plate, water will pull it on the agar. but havent had it happen so far. Roll with it.  also, stacking your dishes on top of each other during pour while hot will eliminate condensation on all but the few top ones. good luck
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#27083867 - 12/11/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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tedoro said: ... been prestoing bags for quite a while. It wasn't until I made internal walls that kept the bags from expanding that I got down to nearly zero pops. The voids that two bags on the bottom and two on top need to be filled.
Um, can you expand on "internal walls"? How do you do that? Thanks
Too lazy to photograph... they are 7.5"x5" pieces of cedar fence board. four of them. two boards on either side laid horizontal. two bags in-between. next layer 90 degrees from that. make sure the void made by the one top board allows the safety pin on the presto to operate.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro] 1
#27083901 - 12/11/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also, a long time ago, RR described a situation that is a way to pop a pre-sealed bag.
Imagine 2 hours in to a PC run with bags. The grains are to temp (250f) the PC is to temp (250f) and you kill the heat. The PC starts dropping pressure and cooling, the the inside of the bag remains at 250f with lessening pressure. What happens to those grains? they boil.... expanding the bag and pop.
Especially at the end of the run, be very careful about lowering the pressure. I have struggled in the past with accidentally letting the pressure go up to 20 near the end... its easy to do. Then I panic and quickly lower the heat... and I hear a thundding pop as it goes back to 16psi.
I'm more careful now.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27084021 - 12/11/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I use all the time a flashlight, but its very heavy condensation, let me show u guys some pictures.

Some of them were for around 15h unwrapped in my SAB after pouring the agar. They were stacked while pouring til wrapping the whole time in 20 stacks.
I just see whats happening from the bottom but this is not that good to see contamination and idk, not sure I just can't see the contamination because most of the plates war full with condensation or i do way better work after my restart now because it seems like 40/40 plates are without contamination.
Edited by Schemenhaft (12/11/20 01:38 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Schemenhaft]
#27084042 - 12/11/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Get a flat bottomed cup and fill it with boiling water and set it on the stack of condensed plates
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#27084090 - 12/11/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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How hot and how thick are you pouring your agar? You should be able to hold the bottle without your hand burning, and it should be poured thin so that it can cool quickly.
If not just pour out the water in the sab when you are about to start working with the plates.
Otherwise a hot cup and/or a flashlight as its been said before
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sankhara]
#27084144 - 12/11/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sankhara said: How hot and how thick are you pouring your agar? You should be able to hold the bottle without your hand burning, and it should be poured thin so that it can cool quickly.
If not just pour out the water in the sab when you are about to start working with the plates.
Otherwise a hot cup and/or a flashlight as its been said before
My agar is around 50 degrees, close to solidify, tried it also with less hot, it was solidifying while pouring so i can't go for less temperature, but stil got this kind of condensation.
I'll pur around 20ml to a 94/16mm plate.
Don't get it why I have this kind of problem now, can't remember even one case while I was cultivating three years ago. I do same reciepe, same pressure-cooker, same plates, same laboratory-flasks, same SAB. Just my appartment changed
Edited by Schemenhaft (12/11/20 03:48 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Schemenhaft]
#27084164 - 12/11/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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How long after pouring the plates did you take the pictures?
That amount of condensation right after pouring is completely normal, it should dissipate overtime you should see a big difference a week from now.
When i did plates i poured, and directly put in the sleeve after solidifying, a week later i would find a LOT less condensation.
It appears you are doing everything right it will be fine, dont let it get on your nerves.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sankhara]
#27084243 - 12/11/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you guy case your harvest holes on casing? Or do you just cut at the base and leave the stem butt in open air?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sankhara]
#27084246 - 12/11/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sankhara said: How long after pouring the plates did you take the pictures?
That amount of condensation right after pouring is completely normal, it should dissipate overtime you should see a big difference a week from now.
When i did plates i poured, and directly put in the sleeve after solidifying, a week later i would find a LOT less condensation.
It appears you are doing everything right it will be fine, dont let it get on your nerves.
Took the pictures right now for the post here, so the oldest plates are 7 days & 5days, the newst ~24h
Okay, I give them a bit more time, hope they get better soon.
Thanks for ur help guys!
Edit: @Sankhara Thank you, I think I've found out whats the problem. Compared the good plates and the worst plates - It seems like I use too much Agar on it, seems like I was just lucky three years ago or maybe my notes are wrong. The ones without condensation have like 50% or less Agar in relation to the worst plates. So next time I'll try with around 200ml to 20 plates.
Edited by Schemenhaft (12/11/20 04:20 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Schemenhaft]
#27084261 - 12/11/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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That sounds great!
Dont bother too much in distributing a certain amount of agar to plates. Only use ml to plates as a rule of thumb when prepping your agar.
Once you have the agar prepped the only thing you should worry about is pouring enough to cover the bottom.
Thats about it, good luck!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#27084459 - 12/11/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Get a flat bottomed cup and fill it with boiling water and set it on the stack of condensed plates
I use my girl’s rice heat pack across 4 stacks of 5.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Schemenhaft]
#27084534 - 12/11/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Get a flat bottomed cup and fill it with boiling water and set it on the stack of condensed plates
I use my girl’s rice heat pack across 4 stacks of 5.

haha, Thats awesome. I wish I had thought that when I was pouring 80 plates at a time.
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Edit: @Sankhara Thank you, I think I've found out whats the problem. Compared the good plates and the worst plates - It seems like I use too much Agar on it, seems like I was just lucky three years ago or maybe my notes are wrong. The ones without condensation have like 50% or less Agar in relation to the worst plates. So next time I'll try with around 200ml to 20 plates.
Excellent news! I kept seeing you working out a fix and hated that we weren't coming through for you with a solution.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ModularMind]
#27084817 - 12/11/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I love this drink. Haven’t had it in a while, gonna get one today for sure
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They’ve been out, where I’ve found them locally, lately.
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