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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27082184 - 12/10/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Definitely, bags are far more efficient. The thing with starting anything new is that you're bound to experience some level of failure, the only way to get better is to keep going. It will definitely pay off in the end.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27082228 - 12/10/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Myers units are definitely worth it. I tried doing no seal bags but I failed one way and another I cut em open in flow with a hot scalpel. It's definitely a whatever works well kind of situation. I too run jars for masters. Absolutely loving milo over millet for ease of prep. Hydrated spawn leaps soo much quicker. Hoping to get LCs up and tunning. Maybe LI with the ole oster blender mod then buy a chipper shredder for Mimosa, the blender barely cuts it.
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27082233 - 12/10/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've tried to switch over to millet but I just like wheat far too much.
Why would you cut your bags open, did you seal them? If so try no seal.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27082351 - 12/10/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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105q SAB here... I have pre-sealed bags with a regular 30.- sealer before and it works alright if you seal it a couple times to make the seam bigger and also don't fold the top in on itself so you only have two layers of plastic. Its definitely a pain and I wouldn't recommend it but it works. I call it the dirt-bag tek lol
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Failboat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shroomshine]
#27082381 - 12/10/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll try a load of accordion folded bags again. I must've just failed out of user error especially since I hadn't stared squeezing bags yet. You do have to be careful about picking them up wrong and unsealing em accidentally, right? Less vectors would be better. I upgraded to a 5mm impulse and it's adequate, but I do implement a double seal so I feel comfortable massaging bags.
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GypsyBastard
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27082534 - 12/10/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I feel like this is a dumb question because if it worked i feel like someone would have mentioned it somewhere but.... Vac sealer to remover air from bags for pre-sealing?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27082541 - 12/10/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have thought about it since I own one but have not gotten around to trying it.
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GypsyBastard
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27082554 - 12/10/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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It just seems so obvious I can't imagine if it worked well it wouldn't already be part of the bag tek zeitgeist. But maybe that's why, everyone had that thought and never tried it...... Probably not though. I'm still gonna try it.
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sh4d0ws
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27082573 - 12/10/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: Myers units are definitely worth it. I tried doing no seal bags but I failed one way and another I cut em open in flow with a hot scalpel. It's definitely a whatever works well kind of situation. I too run jars for masters. Absolutely loving milo over millet for ease of prep. Hydrated spawn leaps soo much quicker. Hoping to get LCs up and tunning. Maybe LI with the ole oster blender mod then buy a chipper shredder for Mimosa, the blender barely cuts it.
I saw you mention somewhere you had slight air leaks on your myers FFU unit. I assume this didn't cause you any issues at all? Did you have to plug the air leaks or caulk it or you just use it as is?
Definitely wanna purchase one when he restocks...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#27082581 - 12/10/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27082621 - 12/10/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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GypsyBastard said: It just seems so obvious I can't imagine if it worked well it wouldn't already be part of the bag tek zeitgeist. But maybe that's why, everyone had that thought and never tried it...... Probably not though. I'm still gonna try it.
I'll be cooking more grain this weekend so I'll give it a try also.
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Well the design would allow for replacing of the filter easily and I suspect I could just tighten the latching system at the corner, but I got right to work and after like a dozen bags I think my spawn is the only problem I still struggle with. A few bags recieved some poirly hydrated noprep millet masters and ironically the bags contained, in a few, large amounts of no-prep oats Those few may be slow going but the ones with milo masters are happy.
I'm gonna phase out my Red Boy and continue my KSSS clones #1 for canopies while I maintain my Melmac cultures. I have just streaked some RW and Hoog Convexa yesterday that I can plainly see the spores on the plates so I expect some germination.
On FH/FFU talk again, at some point sooner than later I will rebuild my homemade 2x4 FH. One for cult and one for gourmet.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27082646 - 12/10/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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GypsyBastard said: I feel like this is a dumb question because if it worked i feel like someone would have mentioned it somewhere but.... Vac sealer to remover air from bags for pre-sealing?
Any vac sealer I've ever owned doesn't have a wide enough or hot enough seal to effectively seal myco bags. It's probably shoddy at best but there may be something that works.
If you are really wanting to pre-seal, just pushing the air out and sealing it works good enough to remove nearly all the air but I hate pre-sealing I stopped doing it. It's much nicer to just open the bag up and inoculate it after sterilization than having to cut each one open with a scalpel. And basically no matter what you do (fold over itself, accordion fold) they will form a seal themselves after the cooker cools down as natedog pointed out. It's a good enough seal that you can leave them on a shelf for months without issues
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27082675 - 12/10/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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GypsyBastard said: It just seems so obvious I can't imagine if it worked well it wouldn't already be part of the bag tek zeitgeist. But maybe that's why, everyone had that thought and never tried it...... Probably not though. I'm still gonna try it.
will loose the vaccum throug the filter, wont work
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: el gordo]
#27082707 - 12/10/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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el gordo said:
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GypsyBastard said: It just seems so obvious I can't imagine if it worked well it wouldn't already be part of the bag tek zeitgeist. But maybe that's why, everyone had that thought and never tried it...... Probably not though. I'm still gonna try it.
will loose the vaccum throug the filter, wont work
are you saying this from experience? I didn't think air will pass through patch at same rate as it is pulled through top. Even if, seems like taping the patch temporarily may work for this step.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27082720 - 12/10/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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If I understand correctly you can't vac seal the bags cause they don't have a textured side to allow airflow.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27082750 - 12/10/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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tedoro said: ... been prestoing bags for quite a while. It wasn't until I made internal walls that kept the bags from expanding that I got down to nearly zero pops. The voids that two bags on the bottom and two on top need to be filled.
Um, can you expand on "internal walls"? How do you do that? Thanks
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27082770 - 12/10/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: If I understand correctly you can't vac seal the bags cause they don't have a textured side to allow airflow.
I do remember something about this. Most vac bags have 1 texted and 1 smooth side to allow for air flow. But I have used vac bags with both sides smooth for years so there has to be some kind of work around. Sous vide'd LOTS of stuff over the years and every single one was sealed in a smooth sided bag. I think the texture thing may have something to do with branding because never seen a commercial vac bag with it.
Edited by GypsyBastard (12/10/20 05:58 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27083432 - 12/11/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi people, i have a question.
I keep seeing threads about how APE spores not always grow APE's, and how cloning is generally necessary. Also it appears that its becoming more and more frequent.
My question is: is there a way to get to stabilize the mutation once again?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27083435 - 12/11/20 04:53 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Spawned this rust spore qt jar on 12/3 and I cant tell if this is mold or mycelium poking through. There were a few ppl who said the jar looked sketchy but it broke up easily and smelled ok so I spawned it.

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