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GypsyBastard
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I ordered some of those a while back but accidentally ordered wide mouth and I have exactly 0 wide mouth jars.  Maybe I'll try again
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fahtster
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
#27081052 - 12/09/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Phony Phone said: well, what is better than the author of the tek responding directly  I read in your thread faht that you dont recommend mixed substrates to be cased this way. Mine is mixed and not layered, but wont the mycelium still colonize vertically? Then I can fruit it immediately (i plan it to be thin) or at 20%.
Are there dangers in general with this method regarding mushroom fruit body health? Aka aborts at any stage of their life either from too much casing, water etc.

I usually just go with a 1/4” top layer when I make the tubs these days, but it’s not going hurt putting one on there. Late casing came about before top layers were really a thing. I’d say if your having trouble getting pins to mature on your subs, then late casing could help with that, but it’s not gonna hurt if ya add one.. maybe you’ll like it more. Mixed would be fine too
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starbones
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27081053 - 12/09/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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While dicking around looking for mason jar caps for doing LC pouring I brainfarted into these.
Might make doing LC pours far easier for you. They're high volume saliva ejector valves. The thing the dentist assistant plugs a tip into to succ your spit. Thumb operated on-off valve that can be autoclaved.
Make an LC jar with a hose nipple on the lid and a PTFE hydrophobic whatman to stop a vacuum from forming. PC some surgical grade tubing and the valve. Assemble in front of flowhood. invert your LC jar on a stand of your own making then flick your thumb back and forth on the control lever to "pour" your LC into each jar without needing to handle the jar constantly.
Anyway someone might find it useful they're only $30-40 or so.
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Lemgrub



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27081121 - 12/09/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I might start screwing around with grain bags, can't find quart jars at any of the stores near me
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mushhead
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lemgrub]
#27081163 - 12/09/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lemgrub said: I might start screwing around with grain bags, can't find quart jars at any of the stores near me
I too am being forced into learning how to do a grain bag properly. Oh how I had hoped to keep with the jars for a while but I simply cannot find them anywhere and I only have a good 40 or so mixed quart jars, pints, half pints, and others.
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GypsyBastard
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushhead]
#27081181 - 12/09/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Man I haven't looked in a while but so many people are having trouble finding them I feel like I need to go get some.
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Justweed
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: GypsyBastard]
#27081201 - 12/09/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've been lucky to find quart jars at the grocery store near me, but having empties sitting around makes me feel the need to make more spawn... Then I have no empties so I feel like I need to go get more...And so this week I've made 80 quarts of spawn, and by Friday it'll be 120 quarts...
However I've been thinking of switching to bags because my wrists are killing me from shaking jars during g2g and taking off/putting on lids. Would be a lot nicer making bags of 5 quarts worth of grain twice a week and jars once a week instead of jars thrice a week.
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starbones
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Justweed]
#27081271 - 12/09/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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When PCs were getting scarce earlier in the year I made a thread pointing out I noticed shelves were getting slower and slower to refill on jars. Stocked up and now I'm in the opposite boat. I've got a basement full of jars. At least 400 or so empty ones that haven't been used yet.
I haven't done a count total of all my jars but I know I've got around 400 in the basement still in their flats, I got 5 flats in the kitchen, 6 or so unused monotubs full of cleaned ones.
I just really fucking hate bags and for all the use I get out of them $40 for 48 jars at a time ain't bad. Golden Harvest brand here in Canada.
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Celestialexplorer1



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27081289 - 12/09/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just picked up a 12 pack of quarts at the grocery store. They’ve been out for months though and finally restocked enough to keep them on the shelf for more than an hour. I do grain bags as well as the jars though. It’s nice to have a large amount of spawn when you need it.
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sh4d0ws
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I barely ever use jars anymore. I hate wasting so much plastic but what can ya do.
It's really nice not having to clean jars at all. 1 bag, 1 tub...keeps things easy. Though trying to run bags in a presto resulted in popped and stretched bbags nearly ever cycle, before I got the AA I went back to jars...with the AA I strictly run bags these days even if I'm running a new clone or an ms culture I'll just do a bag and make a whole tub
I got really lucky purchasing my AA earlier in the year before things went crazy with the covid. I doubt there was ever a time previous to this that all AA pc's and sterilizers were back-ordered until mid way through the next year
Starbones FWIW I just pour directly from mason jars when working with LI or LC. I have tried a couple variations of lids for pouring and just prefer pouring straight out the jar
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Failboat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#27081320 - 12/09/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I squeeze my spawn bags to remove excess air before presealing them in prep for the PC. No more popped bags. Even tried no-prep bags by laying them like pancakes. Works, but you'd have to dial in the amounts so as to ensure proper hydration. 2750g oats and 825g water was inconsistent . Maybe half would be perfect, could run like 6 bags that way. One bag one tub would work.
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Inthepit
Aum Mani Padme Hum



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#27081607 - 12/10/20 05:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: ...Though trying to run bags in a presto resulted in popped and stretched bags nearly every cycle, before I got the AA I went back to jars...with the AA I strictly run bags these days even if I'm running a new clone or an ms culture I'll just do a bag and make a whole tub I got really lucky purchasing my AA earlier in the year before things went crazy ...
I don't get how a Presto is different from an AA for pressuring bags? I've seen other peeps having trouble with bags and Prestos. I really don't want to buy an AA just to switch to bags...
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starbones
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#27081615 - 12/10/20 06:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The walls of an AA are supposedly much much thicker than a Presto which probably slows down cooling and bag expansion quite a lot. Lots of people use Prestos with no problems though.
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Phony Phone

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#27081714 - 12/10/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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How does this baby look
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starbones
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
#27081715 - 12/10/20 07:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rectangular.
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Phony Phone

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
#27081733 - 12/10/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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@faht Won't the top layer colonize same as the substrate though? It can't act as casing then
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tedoro
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#27081759 - 12/10/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: I barely ever use jars anymore. I hate wasting so much plastic but what can ya do.
It's really nice not having to clean jars at all. 1 bag, 1 tub...keeps things easy. Though trying to run bags in a presto resulted in popped and stretched bbags nearly ever cycle, before I got the AA I went back to jars...with the AA I strictly run bags these days even if I'm running a new clone or an ms culture I'll just do a bag and make a whole tub
I got really lucky purchasing my AA earlier in the year before things went crazy with the covid. I doubt there was ever a time previous to this that all AA pc's and sterilizers were back-ordered until mid way through the next year
Starbones FWIW I just pour directly from mason jars when working with LI or LC. I have tried a couple variations of lids for pouring and just prefer pouring straight out the jar
I've been prestoing bags for quite a while. It wasn't until I made internal walls that kept the bags from expanding that I got down to nearly zero pops. The voids that two bags on the bottom and two on top need to be filled.
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fahtster
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
#27081821 - 12/10/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Phony Phone said: @faht Won't the top layer colonize same as the substrate though? It can't act as casing then
It can.. depends on the culture, really. If the tubs are becoming completely colonized before pinning is initiated, you might want to use a little thicker top layer. I’ve done some side by sides within the same tub top layer/jiffy mix casing and sometimes the jiffy layer has more pins and sometimes the top layer side has more pins.. there’s a lot of circumstantial factors that go into it. But overall, if it’s close, the top layer wins just because it didn’t have to be pasteurized.
In this crs tub, the true casing wins
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But in this side by side, the top layer wins

As far as adding the layer after you see knots... the question then becomes, would it have knotted as much in the first place if the top layer wasn’t there? That’s why I said that if you’re having trouble getting your knot/pins to mature, you might want to think about adding a late casing... usually I don’t have a lot of aborts using the top layer at spawning so I don’t use the late casing. If there’s matting with a certain culture before I see knots, I just know to use a slightly thicker top layer with that culture. That’s just what I do though.. sometimes you just gotta play with things to tweak it the way you like... with most things actually. I might be contradicting past faht but things evolve
But I understand what you’re saying.. you don’t really want a casing layer to become fully colonized it it doesn’t really act like a casing for pin production.
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Sankhara
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27081845 - 12/10/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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What do you people think about using unfiltered bags? If they arent sealed they could get GE.
Ive heard about a few people using small bags without problems
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BondVillain
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sankhara]
#27081865 - 12/10/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Question on inoculating jars
Do I need to use a sterile air box (SAB)? Are there other techniques to use while inoculating jars?
Thanks
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