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Schemenhaft
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Does anyone knows a good source for pressure-cook vendors in europe?
Looking for a better and bigger one, but what they sell in german shops is way to small and often not such a high level of pressure. Looking for something like Presto 01781 23-Quart Pressure Canner and Cooker which bodhisatta recommends, but just find this one with around 100€ shipping or horrible price around 300-400 euro in europe.
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Tweeq
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Schemenhaft]
#27080556 - 12/09/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: Schemenhaft, I would treat it like a massive cake and put it in a FC.
Thank you, I'll go this way.
Got 35 Agar-dishes now, 14 of them with Sporedrops, rest just agar. The 20 older-ones are now 6 days old, most of them have germinated spores - 0 of them show any kind of contamination. Not sure how long it needs til contaminations came up, too long ago I made a grow. Should I see contaminations at this point on the agar?
Thinking about going for more Sporedrops on these plates, but I don't want to waste my spores for a maybe currently contaminated dish. How long should I wait?
It depends on the temperature you are incubating the plates at, but if it's been six days and there are no signs of contamination on them, they are probably clean.
Its most of the time around 21 degrees +-2 duringday/night - But the spore-germination should be slowed down also then, thats why I am a bit amazed to see the spores germinating very well and currently not even one spot of contamination. This rate is way better then expected, especially becauce I had the feel that my hnadmovements were a bit awkward and not optimal most of the time.
We will see, tomorrow evening I'll go for more spore-inoculation if they still look that well.
@schemenhaft I don't follow. Why would you use spore drops on so many plates? Would it not make more sense to just inoc a few dishes with spore drops and then do a bunch of transfers if a lot of clean plates is your goal?
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tweeq]
#27080569 - 12/09/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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All of my RW tubs have been doing this, wtf is this?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27080575 - 12/09/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looks like metabolites and a reaction to a little bacteria. I wouldn’t trip about that myself.
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sh4d0ws
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27080580 - 12/09/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've had that same kinda growth on more than just RW tubs, usually doesn't affect much. I do wonder from your other post though if you just managed to get a culture that won't produce fruits, if you're only at week 3 though I'd give it some more time.
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#27080589 - 12/09/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've had that same kinda growth on more than just RW tubs, usually doesn't affect much. I do wonder from your other post though if you just managed to get a culture that won't produce fruits, if you're only at week 3 though I'd give it some more time.
I tossed the other one to make room for more. I lost all of my cube prints so I need to save this culture.
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sh4d0ws
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27080597 - 12/09/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ah shit man PM me. I still got a few things to pump out for school but in a week I'll be done. I have a few rusty prints sitting here, they're like 6 months old
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natedawgnow
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27080599 - 12/09/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've had that same kinda growth on more than just RW tubs, usually doesn't affect much. I do wonder from your other post though if you just managed to get a culture that won't produce fruits, if you're only at week 3 though I'd give it some more time.
I tossed the other one to make room for more. I lost all of my cube prints so I need to save this culture.
I suggest you keep a look out in the marketplace over the coming weeks
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27080605 - 12/09/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Will do.
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Schemenhaft
Oachkatzlschwoaf



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tweeq]
#27080621 - 12/09/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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@schemenhaft I don't follow. Why would you use spore drops on so many plates? Would it not make more sense to just inoc a few dishes with spore drops and then do a bunch of transfers if a lot of clean plates is your goal?
Got more different spore-syringes of different types today, wanna go for a huge varity of cubensis-types in many cases. And I am currently because of corona very bored, so I got like hundreds of plates, Agar, Spores and all this stuff, to improve my skills and kill a bit of time.
Edited by Schemenhaft (12/09/20 03:07 PM)
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Phony Phone

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Schemenhaft]
#27080683 - 12/09/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is late casing even worth it? If I apply it onto newly formed knots will they abort? Should I just wait for the 1st flush to pass and then case at this point? Will the casing colonize as needed if the myc has switched to fruiting? Why does casing colonization even matter anyway, all that matters in the microclimate it creates and the fae..
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starbones
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
#27080701 - 12/09/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anyone tried birthing their mudas for fruiting and doing them in a monotub like a PF cake? Smaller fruits that I'm used to with this culture but I believe that's from overmisting and causing waterlogged substrate. Unless the smaller fruits are also due to the nutso amount of pins.
Harvested some from the one of the tubs today, going to let the other fruits catch up on the other ones.

I'm going to try birthing some colonized ones right now and setting them on lids like these. Ones that have not begun to knot and see how they fruit.
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fahtster
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27080718 - 12/09/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Late casing won’t cause knots to abort
Faht
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Phony Phone

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
#27080728 - 12/09/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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well, what is better than the author of the tek responding directly  I read in your thread faht that you dont recommend mixed substrates to be cased this way. Mine is mixed and not layered, but wont the mycelium still colonize vertically? Then I can fruit it immediately (i plan it to be thin) or at 20%.
Are there dangers in general with this method regarding mushroom fruit body health? Aka aborts at any stage of their life either from too much casing, water etc.
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mushhead
Potato Devourer



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
#27080771 - 12/09/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I late cased my Ecuador cubes this round because I didn't have the ingredients together fast enough, they seemed to really enjoy it.
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starbones
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushhead]
#27080812 - 12/09/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is there diminishing returns when it comes to pinnable surface area? At some point do you meet a wall that will dictate that your mycelium will either choose to not form anymore primordia or will not have the energy to form normal size fruits?
I just did the thing I was saying and using calculations for viable surface area I've arrived at the following.
In one of my normal 84qt monotubs there is viable surface area of 285sq inch. (15x19") from which to fruit. I just birthed 12 of my 1qt muda bottles to the same monotub and after calculating the surface area using the formula for a conical frustrum I arrive at 85sq inch of surface per birthed muda. (Not counting the bottom surface resting on the lids it's actually 94sq inch.
So taking 85x12 I arrive at 1020sq inch of pinnable surface in the same monotub I normally get 285sq in" from.
The amount of spawn and sub is roughly the same as if I had a made a monotub. There's 4 quarts of spawn split 12 ways then roughly 7-9qt of substrate.
I'm not a rocket scientist or anything but it feels to me like I'm asking quite a lot of the grain and CVG here. The culture will pin and fruit wall to wall no problem on any surface it can so I guess we'll see. Keep strong little mycelium and do your best I guess. A 357% increase in surface area, fahk. This is all working under the belief that RogerRabbit isn't wrong about coir and grain being more nutritious than hpoo and such. Gotta believe there's oomph. And I guess it also relies on what RogerRabbit said about yield being superior if you took the same amount of materials and spread them across two monotubs increasing surface area. I guess a lot of this relies a lot on RR.
Edited by starbones (12/09/20 04:53 PM)
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Phony Phone

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushhead]
#27080815 - 12/09/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushhead said: I late cased my Ecuador cubes this round because I didn't have the ingredients together fast enough, they seemed to really enjoy it.
How late are we talking about? Knots late or pins late?
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mushhead
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
#27080838 - 12/09/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushhead said: I late cased my Ecuador cubes this round because I didn't have the ingredients together fast enough, they seemed to really enjoy it.
How late are we talking about? Knots late or pins late?
I let it go through the first flush and then cased it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushhead]
#27080903 - 12/09/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The wall with surface area is probably the spawn. Most people use more than enough spawn so there’s multiple flushes, but you could theoretically experiment with a culture until you found out how much spawn it takes to fill the surface and use it in one flush.
One quart to a shoebox with the right culture hits the mark pretty close.
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Celestialexplorer1



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] 2
#27080929 - 12/09/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’m just gonna leave this here. Finally a better deal than the multicolor plastics. White Plastic Standard Mason Jar Lids (24-Pack); Regular Mouth Lined Storage Caps https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017IT8U2U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glc_fabc_lsx0FbHZETKRE
24 pp5 jar lids 12.99
If anyone out there hasn’t made the switch to platic these are so easy. After I spawn I clean the jars and lids in the sink and run them through the dishwasher. No rust and better seal
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Edited by Celestialexplorer1 (12/09/20 06:10 PM)
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