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starbones
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
#27065238 - 11/30/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Phony Phone said: How do you people bury spent/contamd substrates outdoors? How do you avoid prying eyes?
Until the spring hits and I can build my greenhouse I've just been burning mine in my garage woodstove. Coir doesn't burn well on its own but when combined with dead myc/grains etc it's one hell of a long hot burning fuel source. If I toss a dryish monotub worth of spent/infected sub in the woodstove atop hot coals it's still outputting heat the next day.
Prior to that, laundry tub I rigged up with a macerator to shove it down the sewers. Wasn't keen on setting alarm bells off at a waste processing plant when they're seeing unusual stuff though. At the time I was juggling 70 monotubs, the waste is IMMENSE.
When I have an excessive amount it just composts itself inside a large contractor garbage bag. Within two weeks or so there's no fruiting bodies left, it's all been broken down and then I bring it to the landfill. You can toss a monotubs worth of spore covered fruit into a big thick trashbag and it gets broken down FAST. Ends up looking just like garden soil afterwards.
As for avoiding prying eyes well.. I don't bring anything out of my house that isn't going to a landfill. One or two subs in a bag is fine but the rest goes right into the truck to get disposed of. Nothing but substrate in bags so the landfill can never track anything back to me even if the chance is infinitively small.
When I was in the hospital and I had to bag and dispose of a basements worth of monotubs after getting out.. they had all become horribly infected, stagnant air, no light etc. I bagged everything up, big shrooms, lots of mold, lots of fruit, grain etc. It took us a week to get the motivation to bring a truck bed full of bags of it to the boonies to dump it out. Everything was gone, fruits, myc, it had all composted and quickly too. We felt dumb being in the middle of nowhere cutting open garbage bags and dumping out what looked like potting mix. It's wild how quickly myc/fruits can vanish.
Edited by starbones (11/30/20 07:23 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27065239 - 11/30/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said:
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Phony Phone said: How do you people bury spent/contamd substrates outdoors? How do you avoid prying eyes?
Ontop of a garden bed in plain sight.
Just a heads up if you don't want rats maybe dump your grain in a paper grocery bag and put it in your green container like I do.
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dont do it in ur neighbors backyard🤷🏼 as with everything else when dealing with illegal shit a lil common sense gos a long way
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27065418 - 11/30/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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starbones said: I've just been burning mine in my garage woodstove. Coir doesn't burn well on its own but when combined with dead myc/grains etc it's one hell of a long hot burning fuel source. If I toss a dryish monotub worth of spent/infected sub in the woodstove atop hot coals it's still outputting heat the next day.
Thats pretty rad, how much smoke do they put out?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#27065434 - 11/30/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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When the subs still wet it puts out quite a bit. Like throwing wet leaves on a fire but after an hour it sits there and chugs away like any long burning wood log. I would never expect it to heat a home but for my backyard garage it will keep it going til morning with minimal smoke.
Won't get the blazing hot heat of birch or oak but a monotubs or two worth of substrate is enough to allow me to dick around in there in a t-shirt until the sun comes up. I imagine the longer it composts the worse it is as a fuel.
Sucks balls without a bed of hot coals from wood to consume it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27065447 - 11/30/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was thinking for a fire extender in the pit.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#27065532 - 11/30/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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A substrate will sit and smolder for a long, long time after the evaporation of water is over. Smells weird for awhile. If coir wasn't such a shit fuel source I'd think about packing a bag of it camping with us but it won't do you any good without the coals first.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27065541 - 11/30/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im going to start using spent subs for oysters like Caps does.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27065562 - 11/30/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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maybe beefcake pikachu can use its electricity power to heat up some coils and power a fan to run you dehydro? otherwise propane is nice if you have that available for cheap? or you can set something up over a fire if you really need. wood fired stoves are super dry. theres the fan and lighbulb tek too like people used in the 70s
what about sterilizing spent subs with sups in bags for cubes?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27065563 - 11/30/20 10:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am actually growing Pan Cyan without dung using MudaFuka bottle TEK for Straw Based (cause I hear Pans like straw) in 1 qt bottles. The Pans were a day or two behind the B+ and Golden Teacher as far as colonization timing, so that was scary. I have 5 bottles of Pans, 2 bottles of B+ and 1 of Golden Teacher. I will tell you that the bottles are almost fully colonized. I plan on casing 2 with coir and 2 with vermiculite and 1 with a mix. Not sure the environment I am goin to put them in, but I am building a Martha JOK. Just not gonna have time to really test or if I should just use a tub with water in the bottom. I believe Pans like the high humidity.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
#27065586 - 11/30/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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TedsDead said: what about sterilizing spent subs with sups in bags for cubes?
Would that be inoculated with LI or spawn?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
#27065623 - 11/30/20 11:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Phony Phone said: How do you people bury spent/contamd substrates outdoors? How do you avoid prying eyes?
I usually wait untill I have a fair number of subs, then break them up with a shovel in a cement mixing tub and just bury the resulting compost in the garden.
Normal people usually don't recognize our activities as something possibly illegal anyway
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tweeq]
#27065630 - 11/30/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah if you're not running around with cannabis plants wearing gas masks leaking solvent fumes you're gonna be fine.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
#27065659 - 12/01/20 12:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you for this! Code is still working as of today
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Does this jar look ok, the myc is pretty light imo. I dropped a rust spore wedge in it 11/5 and it broke up easily and recovered pretty well from the last shake 4 days ago.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27065862 - 12/01/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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starbones said: I'm gearing up to start producing pan cyans but I'm a little confused.
Don't take this as gospel, confirm with Asura/Jake/JCM, but i don't think a deep substrate is detrimental to pans. The 1qt muda bottles should be just fine. The 8oz pp5 containers would be perfect though, have you seen the Macmerdin's Pan-Cakes thread? About dung, from everything i've read, dung is effectively required if you want any sort of good yield. If you are just going for personal amount once or twice, coir/CVG would work, but not as well as dung.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MH5109]
#27065883 - 12/01/20 07:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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MH5109 said: Does this jar look ok, the myc is pretty light imo. I dropped a rust spore wedge in it 11/5 and it broke up easily and recovered pretty well from the last shake 4 days ago.

I've had mycellium look very light before. It really depends, did you use a clean culture? or did you just used the same plate you germinated the spores in?
When it happened to me i really suspected it was contamn'd although it fruited alright. Sometimes even mycelium looks very light on agar.
You could give the jar a try in a shoebox
EDIT: giving it a better look i doubt that is clean mycelium
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sankhara]
#27065974 - 12/01/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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or doing soil grows in the spare bedroom
LI or LC but grain would work tooo
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MH5109]
#27066099 - 12/01/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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MH5109 said: Does this jar look ok, the myc is pretty light imo. I dropped a rust spore wedge in it 11/5 and it broke up easily and recovered pretty well from the last shake 4 days ago.

Your oats are fairly dry and you shook it multiple times, or so it looks to me. If it colonizes completely then I say it's at least give it a go solo in a shoebox.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27066204 - 12/01/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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its been 20 days since innoculating grains with agar wedges, all jars are 99+%~ colonized, except one which is 97~ with a small spot that refuses to close up or to put it more accurately, closes up slooooooooowly.
They are healthy white with not wet spots etc, also the grains themseves are healthy without any bacterial growth. Temp itself is around 76f~ or so
1. what other causes are there for mycelium to stall? 2. Why did it take 20 days anyway despite being healthy myc b4 u ask me for pics, trust me, its healthy ive seen plenty of pics  It's rye btw and the myc comes from a 1st flush clone.
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