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starbones
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27052122 - 11/22/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck a thousand tubs. Sounds like hyperbole but I could barely manage over 70 and even then I couldn't leave the house.
You have a finite amount of time in the day. I could barely feed the monster with a 23qt presto. While having enough time in a week to do all the harvesting, drying and vacuum bagging, the cleaning, making substrate, supply runs, cleaning jars (Yeah I know bag boys, I know) tossing them in the dishwasher, agar work, making LC to keep up..
40-50 is my comfort zone and I'm not sure if these 1qt deli cup x15 per monotub is going to change that. It seems like I can keep things perpetually going so harvest is the same over time but using fewer tubs. Sort of like a perpetual sea of green style cannabis grow v.s. growing a few big plants.
If a 1qt container in the monotub contams I just swap it out with another ready to go, spent ones come out, fresh ones go in and the monotub continues on the entire time.
At 1qt spawn -> 3x1 qt containers the mileage on grain jars is pretty good. 15 containers per monotub requires 6 jars of grain. 40 monotubs requires 240 jars of grain and I can do that fairly quickly with a 23qt presto in around a week, after that it's all maintenance. A handful of PC loads every couple days.
I'm an enoki farmer now.
Fucking doing anything over 100, make a grow room and buy some 941s at that point.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27052133 - 11/22/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Muda bottles are phun
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27052161 - 11/22/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can't call these mudas as it's just CVG/Grain to a bottle. Mudas were far more loved with all sorts of recipes. I'll call em Muda bottles out of respect for how much love and effort he put into his though, I absolutely love what he accomplished there. Seems like he was a really cool dude.
Not nearly as intensive as his were all in one and PC'd. This is just PC'd colonized grains spawned to bulk with coir in a soup container but eh, maybe it'll work nice. That's If what RR says about grains and CVG being more nutritious than hpoo is true. If not I'm asking a lot of a small amount of grains.
Won't know til I know, Had success with the bags colonized then cut and put multiple into a monotub to fruit. Here's hoping.
Pasty says I don't need to change the holes from sub-level on my pastydials up to the level of the quart containers and it appears right now that is so.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27052198 - 11/22/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Am I high or would putting LC to pasturised sub work?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: coversall]
#27052219 - 11/22/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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slurry would work much better
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#27052317 - 11/22/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah that’s a popular method. You’ve gotta either include grain in there or use something nutritious as a sub though.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27052363 - 11/22/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Trippytimes or whatever. She was a pregnant lady and had like 50 monotubs or some shit. Last post I remember reading was that she was meeting some dude from the forum in person or some shit, idk.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wall.E]
#27052433 - 11/22/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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On the topic of muda bottles. When people went to coir/grains was there a reason they still PC'd the whole works instead of just spawning grain to coir and putting it in a bottle? I feel like I missed something here. I understand with the recipes using oatmeal, dogfood etc it was necessary but when just doing grains/CVG is there a benefit to it at all?
I need to whip up some LC tonight and all I have is my big Presto at the moment. I don't think I've ever PC'd anything except a full load. I can't see it being any different save for maybe needing a longer venting time prior to putting my jiggler on.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27052449 - 11/22/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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starbones said: When people went to coir/grains was there a reason they still PC'd the whole works instead of just spawning grain to coir and putting it in a bottle?
No separate prep for grains and sub. All in one means quick prep and fast colonization with LC or LI. Bottle don't take up a lot of space. It is mostly preference. It also allows for isolation of contamination, kind of like with a shoebox. You don't risk mixing things together and thereby inadvertently expanding your contamination. Everything remains compartmentalized.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27052455 - 11/22/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not breaking the substrate (which is what we’re doing when we spawn) helps minimize vectors posed by sneaky bacteria or bad inoculation proceedure. Same principle behind BRF cakes that makes them more forgiving. The energy not used to repair the colony can also be used in theory for fruiting.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27052457 - 11/22/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did not consider that. Thanks for the insight.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27052496 - 11/22/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Yeah that’s a popular method. You’ve gotta either include grain in there or use something nutritious as a sub though.
My brain is in pan mode. I was thinking of pouring pan cyan LC onto a pastuirzed sub of something like manure/straw/verm/gyp.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27052500 - 11/22/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah that part I understand but I'm wondering if spawning grains to CVG in a bottle has an impact on yield v.s. the doing it all-in-one. I don't see why it should but you never know.
I've gone to it because of the compartmentalizing and other benefits. If I have a jar where I missed something fuckywucky that jar was only spread out across 3 bottles in a monotub that holds 15-16 bottles it means I wouldn't lose what effectively be an entire monotub. Or if something else happens that would contam a monotub. Bottles just seem incredibly efficient too. I'm using disposable PP5 1 qt deli containers which means I can queue a whole pile of them up and use my monotubs as fruiting chambers for them.
During colonizing all they need is a few holes poked in the lid for airflow and can happily sit on my wire shelving racks until I want to plop them into a monotub to fruit and the coir on the casing layer doesn't appear to be drying out with just a few holes poked.
I don't see why there's a reason mixing up spawn and CVG would be any different yield wise. Contamination vectors yes as Pasty said. The idea that you don't lose an entire monotub from one spot of trich tickles my bones and there's something to be said from being able to provide a fruiting surface such a relatively large amount of nutrition/water. As the same surface area in a monotub would not allow for such depth without the middle becoming anaerobic (As per bod)
I'm sure I won't achieve the yields that Pasty et al were getting at first but eventually with enough tinkering the idea of 30-38 grams being achievable (stated in the muda thread) in combined first and second flush is quite appealing. If that were a goal to be worked towards then that's a little over a dry pound per monotub on the 30 end, nearly a pound and a half on the 38 end. Seems like a workable goal and pumping out containers is absolutely no problem to refill spent ones/contamed ones.
Following the 10% rule, to achieve 30g dry per container would mean 300g wet, If 16 were in the monotub and all did the same, that's 4800 wet grams per monotub over two flushes. That's quite beyond anything I've ever done in a traditional monotub. Again, it's not the expectation but a goal.
I'm excited, truly.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: coversall]
#27052505 - 11/22/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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coversall said:
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A.k.a said: Yeah that’s a popular method. You’ve gotta either include grain in there or use something nutritious as a sub though.
My brain is in pan mode. I was thinking of pouring pan cyan LC onto pastuirzed sub.
That doesnt sound like enough nutrients to me
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#27052511 - 11/22/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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angam is growing nice pans off just hay(his words) and manure, nocd with a piece of myc from a previoud jar iirc. I think my whole line of thinking if fever-dream-tier. PCing stuff is easier and quick than pasturising so I'm not sure what I thought the advantage would be.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: coversall]
#27052547 - 11/22/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think blue helix and asura also mostly sterilize grain/manure bags and inject with pan lc.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27052575 - 11/22/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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My first grow is so far off the rails of any respectable TEK.
I definitely need to stick to something next time, so I can control all the variables a little better.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: coversall]
#27052801 - 11/22/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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coversall said: angam is growing nice pans off just hay(his words) and manure, nocd with a piece of myc from a previoud jar iirc. I think my whole line of thinking if fever-dream-tier. PCing stuff is easier and quick than pasturising so I'm not sure what I thought the advantage would be.
Hay still has grains in it so maybe that’s where the confusion is? Straw is just hay after the grains drop
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
#27052857 - 11/22/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm bored, what should I germinate? Rw, ess or a wild koh chang?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#27052873 - 11/22/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I nominate the wild one!
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