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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #27050397 - 11/21/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I order two growbox and one of this work fine. On the other one grow pins, but not growing anymore.
What could be the problem?
The conditions are the same. (Humidity temperature light place)



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #27050399 - 11/21/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So I have a lot of spawn but not so many tubs and would rather be spawning new tubs than waiting on small subsequent flushes.


My question is: How can I maximize the yield from the first flush so I can one flush and dump?

Obviously I could just dump the sub after the first flush but is there a way to focus the total potential yield of the substrate mostly into one flush? Or is it just about having clean spawn and maintaining good conditions?

Would love to hear other folks thoughts on this, I have no more space for tubs but I can put out a lot of spawn.

Edit: More generally, how can I maximize yield with a limited amount of space/tubs but a lot of grain and clean cultures?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
    #27050405 - 11/21/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think that's down to surface conditions and finding the right genetics. Not sure tho, great question.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: The Dalcassian]
    #27050413 - 11/21/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I think that's down to surface conditions and finding the right genetics. Not sure tho, great question.





Thanks for response, and yeah I think genetics probably plays a big part in it. The clone hunt continues...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #27050415 - 11/21/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not saying the chemicals you're using are inherently bad. I'm aware of where pyrethrins are extracted from. They are still a chemical.

I do fairly large tub runs. I think, if you really want good success running 70 tubs you should probably start with agar first.

In my experience just tossing badly infested tubs and using sticky traps works. Maybe your situation is different. But I think you going to grain with spores is probably going to cause a lot more problems than fungi gnats ever will. I'm almost certain of it. By the time fungi gnat infestations get really bad, it's generally going to be well past 2nd, 3rd, even 4th flush. The worst outbreaks I've had are when I've been lazy or working way too many hours per week and left tubs sitting around for too long.

There was a time when I didn't use agar and my success rate was abhorrent. My last run all 42 tubs made it to minimum 2nd flush before any contamination happened. One bag contaminated prior to spawning.

You don't have to take my advice, I'm just saying - I think what you're doing is unnecessary and overkill for the problem you have.

These tubs all had fungi gnats flying in and around them, the outbreak never got bad until it was well past time to ditch them. They also never contributed to contamination. I don't think having fungi gnats directly relates to "living in filth" but people have different ideas of what filth is I guess.






Not trying to brag, just reinforce that you may be being overly aggressive in trying to eliminate something that doesn't cause that much of a problem.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #27050419 - 11/21/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Attack the easiest problem first,
Believe in and respect the basics
And agar is the basics. The other routes are not methodically sound in the same way


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
    #27050429 - 11/21/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Lenz said:
Quote:

The Dalcassian said:
I think that's down to surface conditions and finding the right genetics. Not sure tho, great question.





Thanks for response, and yeah I think genetics probably plays a big part in it. The clone hunt continues...




Spawn ratio will play a factor also.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
    #27050430 - 11/21/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I don't go to grain with spores. I make clean LC from agar samples.
I've had to tune and change things back to what I was doing prior because for some reason I changed up my routine and metholodgy.

It's been nothing but net since.
Prior to things going to shit I had harvested over 20lbs dry in a month with no issues. Then when I was hospitalized and the monotubs sat in darkness with no FAE I came back and had to deal with the mold situation. An entire basement full of mold that required extensive cleaning and disposal of countless monotubs brimming with green mold in every flavour. The Fungus Gnat problem originated from that. I had nothing but problems afterwards so I went back to square 1. and examined my methods, investigated my agar and LC.

Filth to me is anything that should not be inside a home, especially pests. Fruit flies, drain flys, house flys, gnats, ticks, mites, earwigs, ants. They're all pests and spread filth by their nature. I like my home clean and would do the same regardless of cultivating.

I'm not sure why Shroomery is so opposed to learning metholodgy employed by commercial mushroom farmers. It's fine that you don't want to use these tools but Canada just had its first commercial cubensis farm licensed and as these winds shift it's something I want to be involved with. In my eyes it's better to learn now so if the opportunity arises I can get a piece of that action.

I would also like to commercially farm gourmet and medicinals at some point. Making tunnels from shipping containers and greenhouses for outdoor patches.

Pyrethrin, BTI, t-methyl, Bacillus subtilis QST713.. and beyond. They're all just cultivation tools. It's no different than owning a small orchard and pre-treating, treating and stuff. My 2 cents.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
    #27050431 - 11/21/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Lenz said:
So I have a lot of spawn but not so many tubs and would rather be spawning new tubs than waiting on small subsequent flushes.


My question is: How can I maximize the yield from the first flush so I can one flush and dump?

Obviously I could just dump the sub after the first flush but is there a way to focus the total potential yield of the substrate mostly into one flush? Or is it just about having clean spawn and maintaining good conditions?

Would love to hear other folks thoughts on this, I have no more space for tubs but I can put out a lot of spawn.

Edit: More generally, how can I maximize yield with a limited amount of space/tubs but a lot of grain and clean cultures?





Take a bunch of clones and run them all, find the one that puts out the most on the first flush. Take plenty of notes and label things well. You will find a one and done super culture eventually.

SWPE is pretty consistent for me in being a high yield first flush - so much so that the second flushes barely ever yield worthwhile results. With a good PE clone I can see 7-8 dry ounces on the first flush from 50L tubs. Downside is that SWPE can be slow, and casing can be a PITA depending on your set up.

SWPE tubs with my best culture take 27 days for me from spawning to first flush harvest, I have other varieties that can put out 10ounces over 2 flushes in the same time frame. But narrowing down genetics and running a bunch of clone cultures will find you what you need.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27050455 - 11/21/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I use a heater to keep temps in the low 70’s so I don’t see much at all, but if I do it’s suspicious because I keep temps controlled.




I added an oil heater to the room which cleared up all of my condensation after about 2 hours.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
    #27050457 - 11/21/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Spawn ratio will play a factor also.





I'm assuming a lower ratio like 1:2 would be more conducive to high first flushes? I usually run 1:3 or 1:4.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #27050462 - 11/21/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

sh4d0ws said:
Quote:

Lenz said:
So I have a lot of spawn but not so many tubs and would rather be spawning new tubs than waiting on small subsequent flushes.


My question is: How can I maximize the yield from the first flush so I can one flush and dump?

Obviously I could just dump the sub after the first flush but is there a way to focus the total potential yield of the substrate mostly into one flush? Or is it just about having clean spawn and maintaining good conditions?

Would love to hear other folks thoughts on this, I have no more space for tubs but I can put out a lot of spawn.

Edit: More generally, how can I maximize yield with a limited amount of space/tubs but a lot of grain and clean cultures?





Take a bunch of clones and run them all, find the one that puts out the most on the first flush. Take plenty of notes and label things well. You will find a one and done super culture eventually.

SWPE is pretty consistent for me in being a high yield first flush - so much so that the second flushes barely ever yield worthwhile results. With a good PE clone I can see 7-8 dry ounces on the first flush from 50L tubs. Downside is that SWPE can be slow, and casing can be a PITA depending on your set up.

SWPE tubs with my best culture take 27 days for me from spawning to first flush harvest, I have other varieties that can put out 10ounces over 2 flushes in the same time frame. But narrowing down genetics and running a bunch of clone cultures will find you what you need.





Thanks for the response, any particular traits to look for in clone specimens when trying to find one that pushes out a fat first flush? Or do I just have to test a bunch?

I haven't run any PE yet, I have some APE plates that are a transfer or two away from going to grain but I'm working with RW and TOC that are just about ready to go to grain.

Gonna look into SWPE, 7-8 dry oz first flush would be great. Most I got from my last run of GT tubs was like ~5 oz.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
    #27050468 - 11/21/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Spawn ratio will play a factor also.




Oh ya, in what way? Higher amounts of spawn or lower and why if you don't mind? I've been trying to max out my first flushes too recently.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: The Dalcassian]
    #27050475 - 11/21/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Mushrooms are 90 percent water.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz] * 1
    #27050477 - 11/21/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Lenz said:
Quote:

Iambrownbear said:

Spawn ratio will play a factor also.





I'm assuming a lower ratio like 1:2 would be more conducive to high first flushes? I usually run 1:3 or 1:4.




Yes. The downside, I believe, would be that it would take longer for the substrate to fruit though.

I know a guy who uses higher spawn ratios and he is a 1 flush and done grower. He says why waste the space for smaller subsequent flushes when you can put a new tub in its place and get a better harvest in the same amount of time it would take you to get a second flush.

Edited: due to confusion on high and low ratios.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
    #27050482 - 11/21/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This is great info, ive just spawned a clone to bulk and was gonna do the same clone again tomorrow but I'll try what you've just said and compare. Thanks


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear] * 1
    #27050485 - 11/21/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What I started doing with shoeboxes and could be done with bigger monos is using a whole bag as a liner and then once the first flush is done I pull the liner and sub out of the shoebox and then tie the grocery bag at the top and set it off to the side. It’s the same as fruiting with a bag over the top instead of dubbing them.

Once the subs colonized and the myc is holding everything in place you can actually take it out of the shoebox without disturbing anything. It’s amazing how well the myc sucks the bag up to the sides.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
    #27050486 - 11/21/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I thought a lower spawn ratio would colonize and fruit faster? Am I being stupid misusing the terms low/high spawn ratio? I was under the impression that lower meant something like 1:1 or 1:2 and higher meant 1:3/1:4 and that lower spawn ratios generally colonize faster.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
    #27050488 - 11/21/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thats backwards
A low ratio is 1:4 a high ratio is 1:1


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
    #27050489 - 11/21/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

1 to 1 has more spawn that 1 part spawn to 2 parts sub. 1:1 is higher. Spawn is the first number, sub is second.


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