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trippytimes
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wall.E]
#27031094 - 11/10/20 05:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Google where does vanilla flavor come from.
Then good why where chainsaws invented..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
#27031109 - 11/10/20 06:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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stareatclouds said: I read the same RR advice when I first started and vowed to never leave grains exposed. Then active growers told me they never worry abut it. So I stopped worrying about it. And nothing changed.
Exposed grains might be fine normally but when you were OCD misting like my stupid fuck ass was then I doubt it. That's what I stated a few pages back that I chalked this late trich up to OCD misting for some inane reason.
However on the topic of exposed grains, RR being a dinosaur and all that.. It makes sense logically to cover them though. They're a nutritious substance without contamination resistance if the mycelium on them dies back and if exposed in stagnant warm and moist conditions they'll allow for mold spore germination. That's a good argument for covering them at spawn.
"I don't do it" doesn't really refute that. I mean do or do not if success is had all the power to anyone involved.
In the end it takes what, an extra two minutes per tub maybe to slap a couple piles on top of the grains and smooth it out? Doesn't seem like a lot of work for a little extra insurance even if it's only an issue in maybe 5 out of 100 tubs. If everyone is so quick to parrot how mold resistant coir is why would you NOT cover something that could be vulnerable to mold with it? The argument that it's unnecessary just sounds like a hand-wave to laziness.
Just trying to sort through all the conflicting information on Shroomery from those with TC tags. I'm sure you can understand it's frustrating and is not always negated by the time things were posted sadly. See my example of coir casings.
In the end if someone gets to fruits without doing it I'm happy for em and I won't tell them they're wrong. I'm not going to scream from the heavens that everyone should be using t-methyl treated casing layers I just know for my peace of mind it's got the same purpose as using hydrated lime on peat for a casing so why not eh? It's relatively inexpensive, is employed to great effect in the production of white button mushrooms, cereal farming, orchards. It's just a tool in the ol' tickle truck.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27031128 - 11/10/20 06:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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They are sitting in their own room to get temps down to 15C°. Added a lamp for them per ur advice

Edited by smalltalk_canceled (11/10/20 06:58 AM)
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LoadedFish
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Is this an excessive amount of surface grains, and if so what can I do now? Spawned less than 24 hours ago
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LoadedFish]
#27031312 - 11/10/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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throw a top layer of the sub on there
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#27031466 - 11/10/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've always put a thin top layer of coir over my subs (out of habit) but I'm pretty sure it does sweet fuck all considering I mix my coir and spawn with my bare hands. Washed obviously.
I've never had a tub trich out before 3rd flush... yet. But i have done well over 150 grows, so I would say that's fairly conclusive.
If your spawn is fully colonised and healthy then there's not gonna be much room for competing micro-organisms on the grains. Not until the myc starts to weaken at least
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stareatclouds
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27031476 - 11/10/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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starbones said: If everyone is so quick to parrot how mold resistant coir is why would you NOT cover something that could be vulnerable to mold with it? The argument that it's unnecessary just sounds like a hand-wave to laziness.
I wasn't trying to convince you NOT to cover your grains. I definitely agree that spending a minute to cover them is fine. My point was more so that I think you're ignoring the most likely mold vectors to blame something innocuous. But again, you seem pretty confident in your assessment, and you know more about your setup than me.
Update us on the next round of tubs.
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LoadedFish
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Fingers crossed but I'm hoping my spawn is fully healthy. I was more worried about it from a fruiting standpoint, like the grains creating very small bumps and uneven areas, and shrooms preferring to fruit from sub rather than grains. Worried that I won't get fruits with a shit ton of surface grains.
But from the reading I've been doing on here it seems that the sub acts as more of a nute/h20 reservoir rather than necessarily a fruiting base
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The Dalcassian said: I've always put a thin top layer of coir over my subs (out of habit) but I'm pretty sure it does sweet fuck all considering I mix my coir and spawn with my bare hands. Washed obviously.
I've never had a tub trich out before 3rd flush... yet. But i have done well over 150 grows, so I would say that's fairly conclusive.
If your spawn is fully colonised and healthy then there's not gonna be much room for competing micro-organisms on the grains. Not until the myc starts to weaken at least
question to you and anyone out there that has low contams. How long do you let your grains 'consolidate' after they have visually reached 100% colonization?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27031549 - 11/10/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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tedoro said:
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The Dalcassian said: I've always put a thin top layer of coir over my subs (out of habit) but I'm pretty sure it does sweet fuck all considering I mix my coir and spawn with my bare hands. Washed obviously.
I've never had a tub trich out before 3rd flush... yet. But i have done well over 150 grows, so I would say that's fairly conclusive.
If your spawn is fully colonised and healthy then there's not gonna be much room for competing micro-organisms on the grains. Not until the myc starts to weaken at least
question to you and anyone out there that has low contams. How long do you let your grains 'consolidate' after they have visually reached 100% colonization?
one 100% colonized they go to spawn
Edited by kanemush (11/10/20 12:24 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: kanemush]
#27031589 - 11/10/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cased my monotub today (seeing if that affects yield), and nocced up the next set of gain jars (since the experiment with LC failed abysmally).
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: kanemush]
#27031597 - 11/10/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't actively let them consolidate really. Once it's visually at 100% then I make note to prep some coir. Usually happens a day or two after just cus I can rarely be bothered to do anything then and there. If I didn't shake my jars then I would absolutely let them consolidate just cus I can't see what's happening inside, but I shake at 30% and evenly distribute the colonised grains around the jar, this gives me confidence that colonisation is total then
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stareatclouds
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You don't consolidate grain jars, you spawn when they're at 100% as the mycelium is still vigorous and expanding. Letting it consolidate is just needlessly "aging" the culture, so to speak. The same concept applies to G2G, too. If you need to wait on a grain jar, you can store them in the fridge and use them again later.
You consolidate when myc has colonized nutritious fruiting substrates like tubs or cakes. This period allows the myc to consume the substrate it has colonized. This is fuel used for fruiting.
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starbones said: If everyone is so quick to parrot how mold resistant coir is why would you NOT cover something that could be vulnerable to mold with it? The argument that it's unnecessary just sounds like a hand-wave to laziness.
I wasn't trying to convince you NOT to cover your grains. I definitely agree that spending a minute to cover them is fine. My point was more so that I think you're ignoring the most likely mold vectors to blame something innocuous. But again, you seem pretty confident in your assessment, and you know more about your setup than me.
Update us on the next round of tubs.
No no, didn't think you were on my butt trying to convince me. I was just saying it seems backwards not to protect the grain with a blanket of resistant substrate to keep it moisturized and healthy. I know lots of people get away with it and I'm happy for them. I think the caveat to RRs advice should be "This will be much more forgiving if you're a fuck up". I imagine exposed grains are no big deal unless you're a chimp like me.
I was the mold vector this time around guaranteed. Far, far too much misting and not enough evaporation at substrate level once that flush started to fill in. The other tubs have finished their first flush and are looking healthy. Again I can't remember why I was thinking I should be misting them so often but that's just my boneheadedness. I seem to have this poor habit of finding things that work, reading more leading to me doubting what I read before and then changing things up and wondering why they fail.
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Ya, my bad. I'm using the word consolidate wrong. If I shake em then the fully colonise i use em, if I haven't shook and they look done, I'll leave them to expand another couple of days.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
#27031707 - 11/10/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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trippytimes said: Google where does vanilla flavor come from.
Then good why where chainsaws invented..
Your welcome!
You happen to like cracked?
I don’t let spawn sit either but I know there’s a few people around that have said letting jars consolidate for a few weeks makes them fruit faster and more potent, but I never saw any actual side by sides.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27031711 - 11/10/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know about that. Letting them sit has always just been a result of lack of time or tubs for me.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27031714 - 11/10/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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A top layer of coir is essentially mulch. And just like mulch, it's not necessary, but it makes the things you grow in the mulch happier by locking in the moisture below it. I wouldnt claim a top layer is any kind of protection from mold, just keeps the sub from drying out.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
#27031751 - 11/10/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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What RR was saying isn't the sub itself but the grains within the sub. I guess that's arguing semantics or what not but it makes perfectly logical sense the way he explains it about a grain drying out, mycelium dying back and then the grain is now ripe to become a contamination spot next time conditions are right.
He did say it just raises the contamination rate, not that it was a guaranteed bonafide sure thing. It really does make sense though that the grain would be something to protect. We won't spawn jars with uncolonized grain for the reason that they would be a mold hazard so when the myc dies on a surface grain that's no different.
Again I'm not saying anyones wrong I'm just saying it's really hard to refute the logic for me to cover the grains in something that keeps them hydrated happy and healthy so they don't become a foothold. I think this is he same logic he's applying when he recommends cutting v.s. twist and pull. You remove that protective layer of myc and expose grains to dry out and contaminate when conditions favour the mold.
In the end it's personal preference I'm just saying the way RR explains it makes complete sense to me and I THINK is more apt advice to a donkey like me who sometimes doesn't have his surface conditions proper. Perhaps bod and friends get away with it because they're not allowing the myc to die back and then causing mold city by overmisting like myself.
So I guess the advice could be "If you're a lazy slackjaw fuckwit like starbones who can't keep his shit right then cover your grains"
I dunno, coir is mold resistant, grains the myc dies on ain't, it makes sense to me and it's really not any extra effort.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27031759 - 11/10/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Finally broke out of my agar disaster marathon and got a few sleeves done and wedged.
Also got around to breaking out the Melmak TP and yeti swabs. I’m probably going to try and cross them with ufo in the near future. I can’t even imagine what a Melmak ufo hybrid would look like but I’m down to find out.
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