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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27025497 - 11/06/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

One of my shoeboxes is pinning but also has the mean green! Que horror. Not sure how it got infected. Was definitely clean spawn. I'm starting to doubt my coir. Might start pasteurizing it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #27025592 - 11/06/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Which brand was that coir :uhoh:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #27025607 - 11/06/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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One of my shoeboxes is pinning but also has the mean green! Que horror. Not sure how it got infected. Was definitely clean spawn. I'm starting to doubt my coir. Might start pasteurizing it.




How will pasteurizing coir close the vector?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #27025614 - 11/06/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid:

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Was definitely clean spawn





Got pics?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27025615 - 11/06/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

1st off are you not using the bucket tek?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27025639 - 11/06/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I threw some casing in my monotub. Homie says I should have used 1/4 inch but I only had enough to cover the top layer. Will this be fine? Will it even make a difference that I added any at all?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dj_karma_magnet]
    #27025646 - 11/06/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It's fine... Don't sweat it


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27025659 - 11/06/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sad day. Had a set of jars get contaminated. Went to spawn them to bulk. They all looked fine. Opened the first 2, smelled fine and got the going in the monotub. The other two smelled putrid and sweet. Tossing them and starting those over. Should have knew something was up when they looked ready in only 2 weeks.

Edit: contamination vector from the LC I tried to make this go around...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27025668 - 11/06/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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How will pasteurizing coir close the vector?




Mmm. Not sure. But I think baking it couldn't hurt. I don't think my spawn is bad. I know people have had problems with some coirs. Mine is loose gardening coir since it's illegal to have pet reptiles in this country. It doesn't say it has added trich but it might.

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Got pics?




Yes



I don't have agar pics but it looked fine. Jars colonized from G2G in 14 days and started pinning in the shoebox after 11 more

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1st off are you not using the bucket tek?




I throw the coir in a shoebox and pour boiling water on top, shut the lid, and let it sit. This is the coir I can get my hands on



I dunno. I know that most contamination in bulk comes from dodgy spawn but I'm suuuuuper sure this wasn't. I'm pretty stumped.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #27025702 - 11/06/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

that spawn looks clean to me. :shrug: did you put too much water in your coir? the only other way i've gotten my substrates to trich out before the first flush is either bad spawn, VERY overly hydrated coir, or very deep substrates. when the coir is too wet or sub is too deep, gravity sends all the water to the bottom of the substrate and the myc won't colonize it. take out your substrate and look at the bottom, see how it looks.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27025706 - 11/06/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I’m not saying the coir isn’t the vector but if it is, pasteurizing isn’t likely to do much to help IMO.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27025724 - 11/06/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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that spawn looks clean to me. :shrug: did you put too much water in your coir? the only other way i've gotten my substrates to trich out before the first flush is either bad spawn, VERY overly hydrated coir, or very deep substrates. when the coir is too wet or sub is too deep, gravity sends all the water to the bottom of the substrate and the myc won't colonize it. take out your substrate and look at the bottom, see how it looks.





I can tomorrow, I'm winding down for the night. I don't think it was too wet. Did the squeeze test. Hard squeeze, a few drops... I dunno, it's weird. 1:1.5 spawn to coir ratio. The myc ripped through the substrate. Looks fully colonized. The only thing I can think of is the coir at this point. The trich is on the surface too. The pins are coming so I'll let it ride but I'd very much like to find out what the problem is.


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I’m not saying the coir isn’t the vector but if it is, pasteurizing isn’t likely to do much to help IMO.




Is there anything to be done if the coir is the vector? Other than changing the coir? For a country that grows so many coconuts coir is a pain to track down


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #27025879 - 11/06/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This might seem kinda stupid but, does anybody have any tips for drying a bunch of rye berries at once?


I had this issue last year when I tried the horse oats. I tried to prepare a bunch of it at once. It was impossible to dry. I let it sit out for a few days and it wouldn’t dry. I put it in the fridge and it ended up rotting.


Now I’m trying rye berries, I want 2 monotubs So I got 12 pounds hydrating. I’m already stressed....how the hell will I dry all of this? My only solution is  to get a bunch of baking pans and lay it all out across them for 24 hours, but my counter space is limited and this seems ridiculous.


Any and all help is appreciated, sorry for spamming the fuck out of this thread.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dj_karma_magnet]
    #27025925 - 11/07/20 12:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

After cooking it should dry easily bc of the heat it will steam out. I just lay it out on a table with a piece of plastic underneath and I turn the grains once or twice during drying (in the house). Usually takes some 6 hrs to dry completely


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27025956 - 11/07/20 01:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I’m not saying the coir isn’t the vector but if it is, pasteurizing isn’t likely to do much to help IMO.



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I’m not saying the coir isn’t the vector but if it is, pasteurizing isn’t likely to do much to help IMO.



Why not?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dj_karma_magnet]
    #27025976 - 11/07/20 01:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Dj, I just strain well and load my jars, then leave them standing for a few hours with the lids off for 3 to 4 hours.

When I do this I can clearly see moisture in the jars but after being left to dry in the jars it evaps or get absorbed into the grains.

Then put the lids on, give a shake and PC them. I normally do 20quarts wbs at a time


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: The Dalcassian]
    #27026149 - 11/07/20 05:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I’ve never used rye but a big old piece of screen always works for drying a bunch of wbs.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #27026207 - 11/07/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Rye dries just fine is a mesh strainer. Just gotta toss em around a bit to let off steam. Total of 30 minutes max I'd say


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #27026282 - 11/07/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I’m not saying the coir isn’t the vector but if it is, pasteurizing isn’t likely to do much to help IMO.



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I’m not saying the coir isn’t the vector but if it is, pasteurizing isn’t likely to do much to help IMO.



Why not?




Pasteurization works on the principle that certain populations of bacteria are allowed to survive and bloom throughout the substrate as it cools. This protects it from mold spores and other competitors. AFAIK coir isn’t particularly hospitable to bacteria and I’m pretty sure there wouldn’t be significant numbers of the desired species at any rate. No bacteria, no protection.

The other issue is that many times contamed coir is the result of woody debris or seeds and grains mixed in with the coir. Pasteurizing won’t protect grains from contam in open air. If it did we could pasteurize our grain and sawdust bags and not sterilize them.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27026440 - 11/07/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)



Bleh, this is the other box. I was really confident about this run too but I guess I've still got a lot to learn. Gonna switch coir brands though.


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