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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27015687 - 11/01/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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The white silicone mason jar gaskets are what you want. Do not bother with any other type. All my problems ended when I acquired them. I caulk the three pieces together (mason ring, blade assembly and gasket) and then use masking tape to double up the blade assembly to the ring, as silicon caulk isn't very robust.
The blended motor can be anything, including a ball point pen with masking tape on the butt end of it, spun in your hands to blend. but an oyster blender is pennies on amazon.
Shiiit, I'm kind of an idiot when it comes to this kind of stuff and I've never actually handled the blade assembly for myself yet so bear with me for a sec.
I ordered the Oster blade assembly with the gasket included-- is this gasket not good enough? I should use the white silicone mason jar gaskets instead?
I'm also a bit confused by the masking tape bit, the edge of the blade assembly fits in the inner ring of the mason ring right? So from top to bottom you have the ring, the blade assembly siliconed to it, and then the gasket? The gasket meets the lip of the mason jar to create a seal right? I'm just not sure where the masking tape goes in that situation.
Appreciate the reply but am I completely missing something here?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27015689 - 11/01/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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the "lid crack"? are you using unmodded tubs? that might be why they were drying out. unmodded tubs are very difficult to dial in.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
#27015718 - 11/01/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lenz said:
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The white silicone mason jar gaskets are what you want. Do not bother with any other type. All my problems ended when I acquired them. I caulk the three pieces together (mason ring, blade assembly and gasket) and then use masking tape to double up the blade assembly to the ring, as silicon caulk isn't very robust.
The blended motor can be anything, including a ball point pen with masking tape on the butt end of it, spun in your hands to blend. but an oyster blender is pennies on amazon.
Shiiit, I'm kind of an idiot when it comes to this kind of stuff and I've never actually handled the blade assembly for myself yet so bear with me for a sec.
I ordered the Oster blade assembly with the gasket included-- is this gasket not good enough? I should use the white silicone mason jar gaskets instead?
I'm also a bit confused by the masking tape bit, the edge of the blade assembly fits in the inner ring of the mason ring right? So from top to bottom you have the ring, the blade assembly siliconed to it, and then the gasket? The gasket meets the lip of the mason jar to create a seal right? I'm just not sure where the masking tape goes in that situation.
Appreciate the reply but am I completely missing something here? 
No you are good, thats all reasonable to think. That provided gasket will not work. And the white ones are perfect. While yes, non of it needs to be adhered together, one finds it much much better to have it function as one piece. I put the tape on the top, around the bearing and over the edge of the ring, to secure it. Without the tape, I find my silcone aquarium sealant breaks free easily. does this make sense?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
#27015916 - 11/01/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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FriedEgg said: the "lid crack"? are you using unmodded tubs? that might be why they were drying out. unmodded tubs are very difficult to dial in.
Sounds like they are running underbed boxes... I like them also but any sort of draft will fuck em up quick.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27015945 - 11/01/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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No you are good, thats all reasonable to think. That provided gasket will not work. And the white ones are perfect. While yes, non of it needs to be adhered together, one finds it much much better to have it function as one piece. I put the tape on the top, around the bearing and over the edge of the ring, to secure it. Without the tape, I find my silcone aquarium sealant breaks free easily. does this make sense?
Ahhh, ok so just to be annoyingly clear, this is how it should be right?

And then the tape just goes around the jar band overlapping to stick the top of the blade assembly?
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this lol, I have so many clean cultures that I'm trying to get to grain asap and I don't want to fuck up the blending part.
And when you PC the whole thing do you tighten down the band all the way? Does it create a vacuum that makes it difficult to open? And the silicone gasket is enough to seal the jar so contaminants don't get in right?
Would these be good? https://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Silicone-Sealing-Mason-Jar/dp/B012UP6WWC/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=silicone%2Bmason%2Bjar%2Bgasket&qid=1604268989&sr=8-5&th=1
Thanks again for walking me through this, I know it's a lot lmao.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
#27015968 - 11/01/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi everybody. I read a couple of reports where people used grass seeds (grass seeds for a lawn if I understood correctly) as a substrate for Psilocybe Tampenensis. However, where I live this stuff is expensive. What can I use instead? My favourite substrate for Psilocybe Cubensis is pearl barley, is it any good for Psilocybe Tampenensis?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
#27015976 - 11/01/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lenz said:
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No you are good, thats all reasonable to think. That provided gasket will not work. And the white ones are perfect. While yes, non of it needs to be adhered together, one finds it much much better to have it function as one piece. I put the tape on the top, around the bearing and over the edge of the ring, to secure it. Without the tape, I find my silcone aquarium sealant breaks free easily. does this make sense?
Ahhh, ok so just to be annoyingly clear, this is how it should be right?

And then the tape just goes around the jar band overlapping to stick the top of the blade assembly?
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this lol, I have so many clean cultures that I'm trying to get to grain asap and I don't want to fuck up the blending part.
And when you PC the whole thing do you tighten down the band all the way? Does it create a vacuum that makes it difficult to open? And the silicone gasket is enough to seal the jar so contaminants don't get in right?
Would these be good? https://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Silicone-Sealing-Mason-Jar/dp/B012UP6WWC/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=silicone%2Bmason%2Bjar%2Bgasket&qid=1604268989&sr=8-5&th=1
Thanks again for walking me through this, I know it's a lot lmao.
not annoying at all. Happy to help. Yes, that photo is exactly right. And yes, screw it down all the way. and no, there is no vacuum. I am suspicious that the bearing allows ever so little air exchange, but maybe someone else can confirm that.
Mine only gets a portion of the jar threads to grab before you bottom out, as the silicon gaskets are quite thick. At first I worried, but its fine.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
#27015989 - 11/01/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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FriedEgg said: the "lid crack"? are you using unmodded tubs? that might be why they were drying out. unmodded tubs are very difficult to dial in.
I am using unmodded tubs. They are great.... but at least with my sterlite underbed 28 quart totes, there needs to be zero or very close to zero drafts.
Thus my elaborate cooling system. It takes two days for a change in the water temp to fully affect the substrate temp. But its very controlled. when my hose water is at 58f the sub is at 76f. The closet air is at 74f. I usually run at 4f differential without the new cooling system.
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Edited by tedoro (11/01/20 04:14 PM)
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managing humidity during fruiting [Re: tedoro]
#27016009 - 11/01/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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new guy here. I hope that I'm posting in the right spot. If not, please let me know.
I'm doing a second batch using PF Tek. Everything I read says to keep the humidity between 90%-95% during the fruiting stage versus near 100% during incubation. I also consistently read about how there should be condensation on the sidewalls. When my hygrometer reads 90%-95%, there is no condensation. Am I missing something? Is this a difference between PF Tek and bulk? Other?
Thanks in advance for any direction. It's a bit overwhelming right now but really enjoying this hobby.
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Re: managing humidity during fruiting [Re: jeft]
#27016015 - 11/01/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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jeft said: new guy here. I hope that I'm posting in the right spot. If not, please let me know.
I'm doing a second batch using PF Tek. Everything I read says to keep the humidity between 90%-95% during the fruiting stage versus near 100% during incubation. I also consistently read about how there should be condensation on the sidewalls. When my hygrometer reads 90%-95%, there is no condensation. Am I missing something? Is this a difference between PF Tek and bulk? Other?
Thanks in advance for any direction. It's a bit overwhelming right now but really enjoying this hobby.
The hygrometer is not a useful tool for your project. I would seem that it is, but it isn't. For one thing, the meters are very poor at reading high humidity levels, and a very expensive one would be needed to get useable results. But thats actually not the main reason people don't use them.... its because there is a micro climate immediately at the surface of your mycelia. It gets to be very high humidity right at the surface, which is sorta impossible to take a reading of.
So... people here in the forums setup their grow the best they can... then look at the mycelia to see what needs to be adjusted. Make a small change, wait a day or two and see how it helped or hurt.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27016034 - 11/01/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've never screwed mine down all the way but it makes sence have u ever pced agar with a tight cap?
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Re: managing humidity during fruiting [Re: jeft]
#27016048 - 11/01/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hygrometers Don't work here because the humidity that matters is on the cake, not on the walls or air.
You want rh to sway, not be steadily high, evaporation is the #1 pinning trigger
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I screw my down all the way when I do agar but that's only because I use a 1L vinegar bottle and drilled a whole into the cap that I then stuck an SFD under.
But otherwise yeah I have no idea what's safe and what's not safe contam-wise when it comes to lid tightness. Having anything slightly unscrewed in the PC though always sketches me out but im a paranoid mfer so who knows.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
#27016146 - 11/01/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hear that as far as paranoia goes but I’d think unscrewed lids would sterilize better... maybe not when it come to agar though.. grain jars for sure. Hell I even tape over the lid lock and release plug and put a glass over the rocker while the pc cool can’t be too safe

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
#27016317 - 11/01/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lenz said:
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tedoro said:
No you are good, thats all reasonable to think. That provided gasket will not work. And the white ones are perfect. While yes, non of it needs to be adhered together, one finds it much much better to have it function as one piece. I put the tape on the top, around the bearing and over the edge of the ring, to secure it. Without the tape, I find my silcone aquarium sealant breaks free easily. does this make sense?
Ahhh, ok so just to be annoyingly clear, this is how it should be right?

And then the tape just goes around the jar band overlapping to stick the top of the blade assembly?
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this lol, I have so many clean cultures that I'm trying to get to grain asap and I don't want to fuck up the blending part.
And when you PC the whole thing do you tighten down the band all the way? Does it create a vacuum that makes it difficult to open? And the silicone gasket is enough to seal the jar so contaminants don't get in right?
Would these be good? https://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Silicone-Sealing-Mason-Jar/dp/B012UP6WWC/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=silicone%2Bmason%2Bjar%2Bgasket&qid=1604268989&sr=8-5&th=1
Thanks again for walking me through this, I know it's a lot lmao.
I actually like to put the blade on the outside of the threads. That way when u tighten it it doesnt twist the seal between the two and make it leak and it doesnt take up any of the threaded space. I put a ring of silicone inside the ring to create a gasket.
Dont even bother with a cap for the agar. Foil works fine. I use a plastic pitcher with a handle so u never have to worry about holding something hot. Just foil over the top
How do u keep your pc so shiny faht!? Looks slick
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Edited by TedsDead (11/01/20 08:04 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
#27016356 - 11/01/20 08:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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fahtster said: I hear that as far as paranoia goes but I’d think unscrewed lids would sterilize better... maybe not when it come to agar though.. grain jars for sure. Hell I even tape over the lid lock and release plug and put a glass over the rocker while the pc cool can’t be too safe

Faht
Didn't even think about that, makes sense. I screw my grain lids on all the way because I'm usually running 20-30 jars at a time and need to take them out immediately once it hits 0 PSI to use the PC again but I like your mods to the PC as it cools lol that's on another level.
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I actually like to put the blade on the outside of the threads. That way when u tighten it it doesnt twist the seal between the two and make it leak and it doesnt take up any of the threaded space. I put a ring of silicone inside the ring to create a gasket.
Dont even bother with a cap for the agar. Foil works fine. I use a plastic pitcher with a handle so u never have to worry about holding something hot. Just foil over the top
How do u keep your pc so shiny faht!? Looks slick
Ahhh, so you just silicone the bottom edge of the blade assembly to the top of the jar ring and you skip the rubber gasket completely and just apply a ring of silicone as a replacement? Might try that instead honestly, the ring of silicone inside the jar ring completely prevent leaks and contaminants from entering compared to the rubber gasket though? Do you put a relatively thick circle of silicone?
Thanks to everyone for the input btw, I got 40 jars that I'm trying noc up as soon as my blade assemblies come and this is exactly the kind of shit that I'm never sure I'm doing right. Was going to do blenderless LI again but I feel like blended is less of a hassle once you have all the lids n whatnot set up correctly.
And forreal how's that PC looking so nice lmao, I've had mine for 2 months and they look beat as fuck compared to that
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
#27016401 - 11/01/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ahh, I see... need to filter the air as it gets sucked in.. gotcha
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Re: managing humidity during fruiting [Re: tryptkaloids]
#27016570 - 11/01/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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gotcha! So, just keep tweaking until they look happy. Then everyone is happy. 
Thanks for the feedback!
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Re: managing humidity during fruiting [Re: tedoro]
#27016573 - 11/01/20 11:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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that makes a lot of sense. Thank you.
One more question for you if you don't mind. Am I posting in the right spot? I feel like I'm mixed in with someone else's thread and having difficulty finding replies to mine.
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Re: managing humidity during fruiting [Re: jeft]
#27016687 - 11/02/20 03:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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How long do you keep germination plates going??
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