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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #27013471 - 10/31/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I call Bullshit on that TEK!  thats right... when did anyone see sum underlined sheeit last???

post some pics of your "perfect" jars and bags and maybe someone will believe you... not me:shrug:

you are either a troll or a fed IMO



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26996539

there's pictures in the tech that is how I've been doing it for the last few months. I started boiling water for 20 minutes and I kept having too many burst and grains then when I would put it in the PC it would just turn to mush. Only for bags though. You load it all up slightly wet It rehydrates inside of the PC.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27013497 - 10/31/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Here is some more pics.

If I'm a troll/fed then I'm a dirty one. :callingbullshit:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #27013574 - 10/31/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

A friend just had one made.  Cost him 11 K...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rumpleforeskin]
    #27013616 - 10/31/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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A friend just had one made.  Cost him 11 K...




Had to go back a few pages to see what you were talking about... im a certified welder and as much as I love this hobby, building something like that would be suspicious as hell if I wasn't doing gourmets or edibles... ive debated building a medium-ish sized one but when you start talking internal workings its kinda outta my wheel house... if i was still on lock down from covid I'd probably build one... no time anymore...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: roarkell]
    #27013642 - 10/31/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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A friend just had one made.  Cost him 11 K...




Had to go back a few pages to see what you were talking about... im a certified welder and as much as I love this hobby, building something like that would be suspicious as hell if I wasn't doing gourmets or edibles... ive debated building a medium-ish sized one but when you start talking internal workings its kinda outta my wheel house... if i was still on lock down from covid I'd probably build one... no time anymore...




This is pretty neat

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.instructables.com/1000-litre-250-gallon-autoclave/%3famp_page=true
Atmospheric steam sterilizer would be a lot easier but I’ve heard mixed reviews when used for grains for whatever reason


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #27013846 - 10/31/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sweet smelling jars/bags is indicative of contamination (yeast likely)?
In my infinite lack of experience and wisdom, I believe that I've inoculated a few bags with contaminated grain.  Sometimes the honker works better than the eyes.  Loving the learning curve.  23 4.5 lb bags inoculating and another 28 jars colonizing.... 
Is a 4.5 lb bag of colonized grain enough for a 66 L mono tub?  Was going to just go trying coir (~650g) as bulk sub.

Will be using one QT jar (`1 lb) to inoculate each 4 lb bag moving forward to aid in faster colonization (and to isolate any contamination I miss to a single bag instead of many as I may have just done this week).


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rumpleforeskin]
    #27013870 - 10/31/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Sweet smelling jars/bags is indicative of contamination (yeast likely)?
In my infinite lack of experience and wisdom, I believe that I've inoculated a few bags with contaminated grain.  Sometimes the honker works better than the eyes.  Loving the learning curve.  23 4.5 lb bags inoculating and another 28 jars colonizing.... 
Is a 4.5 lb bag of colonized grain enough for a 66 L mono tub?  Was going to just go trying coir (~650g) as bulk sub.

Will be using one QT jar (`1 lb) to inoculate each 4 lb bag moving forward to aid in faster colonization (and to isolate any contamination I miss to a single bag instead of many as I may have just done this week).



I used to use 4.5lb or 4.5 full qt. No issues with a 66qt tub use 1 brick coir 3 1qt verm and 4.5qt water and your mackdaddy set! I recently moved up to 5 to 5.5qt/lb bags half a jar in each to a jar. Colonization times are amazing! 1 week and I'm 100%>

The reason I bumped up to 5+qt/lb is I wanted to have faster fruit times. 5qt spawn and in two to three days my tubs look like this


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27013878 - 10/31/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I find higher spawn ratios may colonize faster but often slow pinning time. I’ll do a 1:3.5 and see pins 11-12 days after spawning generally.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27013890 - 10/31/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

See that might be my problem I'm seeing pins around the 14 day mark 11-13 I see the little white balls form.

I'm really just doing it for faster times and to get higher yield since my BE sucks figured if I increase the spawn I can increase the yield. Only getting 2.7 dry off 5.5 qt.

Any tips pasty? Iv tryed cloning clusters iv tryed the fastest growth on plates... Maybe it's just my variety of Quezon. I mean my older tubs were amazing they were 4.2oz per tub.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27013908 - 10/31/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like you’re lacking water. You can fruit from straight grain but without enough water the yields suck.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27013912 - 10/31/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm putting 4.5qt of water and when I squeeze it it comes flowing out. We will see I'm just starting to redo this grow anyways since I'm in a new place maybe it has changed I have upped the water content since last time by a half a quart.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27013920 - 10/31/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

2.7oz from 5.5 quarts of spawn?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #27013923 - 10/31/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Something is wrong then. I would consider a QP acceptable with ms but seriously should be able to pull more than that.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27014041 - 10/31/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Can I expect an increase in mass with colonization to 100%?  My bags are ~4.25 lbs prior to a G2G.  based on the number of jars I have going, I anticipate using .5 to 1 full jar per bag.  Should being me up to ~5 lb unless the mass of mycelium increases the mass of the bag....

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27014207 - 10/31/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Here is some more pics.

If I'm a troll/fed then I'm a dirty one. :callingbullshit:



post some pics when those are fully colonized (especially the top surface of grain inside of the bags). after many attempts at no-simmer grains i'm also a non believer.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27014306 - 10/31/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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See that might be my problem I'm seeing pins around the 14 day mark 11-13 I see the little white balls form.

I'm really just doing it for faster times and to get higher yield since my BE sucks figured if I increase the spawn I can increase the yield. Only getting 2.7 dry off 5.5 qt.

Any tips pasty? Iv tryed cloning clusters iv tryed the fastest growth on plates... Maybe it's just my variety of Quezon. I mean my older tubs were amazing they were 4.2oz per tub.




(sorry trippy i know we are bouncing back between both threads and i apologize for putting you on the spot)


2.7-4.2 oz dry from a 5.5 qt bag? you should really be getting close to 6-8 oz from a 5.5 qt bag. if your water content is fine, i'm guessing maybe the center of your grains are not being colonized because they are too dry, so your mushrooms are starved of nutrition because they can't eat half of your grain kernels. maybe the high RH in your room is preventing the top of your grain bags from drying out like what happens to me, but the kernels are still not hydrated enough for the mycelium to suck out all the nutrients from the center of the kernels?
:shrug: but that's just a total guess.

pasty: what are your thoughts? could dry under-hydrated grain from a no-simmer grain tek cause low yields like this?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27014338 - 10/31/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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See that might be my problem I'm seeing pins around the 14 day mark 11-13 I see the little white balls form.

I'm really just doing it for faster times and to get higher yield since my BE sucks figured if I increase the spawn I can increase the yield. Only getting 2.7 dry off 5.5 qt.

Any tips pasty? Iv tryed cloning clusters iv tryed the fastest growth on plates... Maybe it's just my variety of Quezon. I mean my older tubs were amazing they were 4.2oz per tub.




(sorry trippy i know we are bouncing back between both threads and i apologize for putting you on the spot)


2.7-4.2 oz dry from a 5.5 qt bag? you should really be getting close to 6-8 oz from a 5.5 qt bag. if your water content is fine, i'm guessing maybe the center of your grains are not being colonized because they are too dry, so your mushrooms are starved of nutrition because they can't eat half of your grain kernels. maybe the high RH in your room is preventing the top of your grain bags from drying out like what happens to me, but the kernels are still not hydrated enough for the mycelium to suck out all the nutrients from the center of the kernels?
:shrug: but that's just a total guess.

pasty: what are your thoughts? could dry under-hydrated grain from a no-simmer grain tek cause low yields like this?



See that's where I know that's wrong. I always simmered my grains until little over a month ago now I don't simmer we will see what my yield is soon anough on no simmer.

I have 9 tubs looking great right now so give me 14 days max and I will have the results.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27014354 - 10/31/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)


Would you consider these grains hydrated? They squish and clear cloudy stuff comes out...

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27014355 - 10/31/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

That no simmer prep works really well. I've done it with jars and they come out looking on point, perfect hydration and no burst grains to be seen. I have plenty of experience with simmer only preps and soak>simmer preps, so I have a good point of reference to compare it to. It's not cutting corners, it's actually a good way to prep grain.

IMO, whether you simmer or not, it is ideal that the soak does most of the hydrating because it primes the grain so it won't burst as easily and doesn't get the grain as mushy inside as it happens with boil only preps.
I soak for at least 24 hours when shit starts to get nice and bubbly and smelly, and I do believe (no proof, just believe) that this fermerting is also a good thing in making the nutrients in the grain more readily available. You load wet and the PC will force that water into the grain and finish the hydration for you.

Also (and I hope this doesn't get me burnt at the stake), simmer only preps have given me a lot of shit bacteria wise. I do believe it's easier to achieve true sterilization after a soak versus no saoking at all.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27014356 - 10/31/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You go girl!    :thumbup:


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