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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fietchen]
#26988171 - 10/16/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not sure, I think I also see other molds, I really cant answer that, but best bet is spores from a mushroom far from mold. A clone will need agar isolation if infected (visibly knowing the difference).
Edit: Just noticed you want talking to me, my bad!
Edited by Ferather (10/16/20 10:18 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ReverendMyc]
#26988181 - 10/16/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Peppermint oil of all things fuck me, why didn't I think of that? Used to use that when cultivating cannabis and dealing with gnats. I'll keep up the ACV bowls, get strips and why not make my monotubs smell like candy canes while I'm at it.
Gracias amigo.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#26988242 - 10/16/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ferather said: I don't like using coir myself, as I have mentioned several times, it contains plant phenols (lignin, so on). Plant phenols support germination of lignicolous fungi. The bonus is the lack of starch and common sugars, which means you should only ever see lignicolous organisms (notably fungi).
Ideally, to take it even further, you should replace the coir with a substrate that is just cellulose, no phenols.
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There is also a difference between added contamination (live or not), and contamination from the air.
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Carbon source: [Common Sugars], germinates and grows almost anything, almost everything can utilize it as carbon. Carbon source: [Common Starch], germinates and grows almost anything, almost everything can utilize it as carbon. Carbon source: [Plant Phenols], germinates and grows lignicolous organisms, which can utilize it as carbon.
Carbon source: [Cellulose], when complex it doesn't support germination, most fungi utilize it as carbon.
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This is why I don't like adding wheat bran to wood (adds starch), you also need to spend more money on being aseptic. I like to keep the complex cellulose, add nutrients, but no carbon sources, and use starch spawn.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid-free_paper < Please read and note (lignin, sulphur).
https://www.planetnatural.com/composting-101/making/c-n-ratio/ < 25-30:1.

I always see you posting super looking in depth stuff, but do you have any photos of actual grows to back this stuff up?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PreparationH]
#26988259 - 10/16/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not only that, but actual numbers and ratios of materials used would go quite a way in establishing something that can be peer reviewed
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26988318 - 10/16/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didn't want to start a new topic for a probably stupid question. I know that there are some folks from all over regularly on this thread.
If I want to start growing in a country/area where you cannot drink the water and have to always use bottled water for drinking and ice, is it safe to use "tap" water for growing?
I assume that any active mushrooms consumed could be either dehydrator dried or boiled for tea for fresh. But I would like to grow gourmets as well and would feel better knowing that the mushrooms somehow do not absorb and transmit the evil little microorganisms in the first place. Using only bottled water there would be somewhat cost prohibitive.
Thanks for any insights.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ReverendMyc]
#26988356 - 10/16/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didn't want to make a whole thread for this. Are there any Canadian vendors with PE6 spore prints? Thanks! EDIT. Thank you very much guys I'm all set now Spread the love!
Also to the dude above. I'd first ask what's wrong with the water. If it's heavy metal related sterilization/pasteurization steps won't make it safe, and I'd be worried they'd end up in the mushrooms. If it's undrinkable for biological reasons I don't see why it wouldn't be fine since it's being sterilized/pasteurized.
Edited by Glenners (10/16/20 01:25 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Glenners]
#26988362 - 10/16/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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is there anything special to consider when you use straw pellets
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ReverendMyc]
#26988379 - 10/16/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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MuthaFudpucker said: I didn't want to start a new topic for a probably stupid question. I know that there are some folks from all over regularly on this thread.
If I want to start growing in a country/area where you cannot drink the water and have to always use bottled water for drinking and ice, is it safe to use "tap" water for growing?
I assume that any active mushrooms consumed could be either dehydrator dried or boiled for tea for fresh. But I would like to grow gourmets as well and would feel better knowing that the mushrooms somehow do not absorb and transmit the evil little microorganisms in the first place. Using only bottled water there would be somewhat cost prohibitive.
Thanks for any insights.
Tap water is perfectly safe to use. I boil creek water and water from a surface well laden with iron, sulphur, etc and it works juuust fine. The resultant mushrooms are safe to ingest
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Glenners]
#26988390 - 10/16/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Glenners said: I didn't want to make a whole thread for this. Are there any Canadian vendors with PE6 spore prints? Thanks!
Hard to find Canadian domestic vendors on Shroomery but the Marketplace here is a great place to start if you make a post looking for one. There is many, many people on The Shroomery willing to share genetics for the cost of a stamp or two.
Abiding by the board rules I can't recommend anyone in a post but I've PMed you.
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MuthaFudpucker said: I didn't want to start a new topic for a probably stupid question. I know that there are some folks from all over regularly on this thread.
If I want to start growing in a country/area where you cannot drink the water and have to always use bottled water for drinking and ice, is it safe to use "tap" water for growing?
I assume that any active mushrooms consumed could be either dehydrator dried or boiled for tea for fresh. But I would like to grow gourmets as well and would feel better knowing that the mushrooms somehow do not absorb and transmit the evil little microorganisms in the first place. Using only bottled water there would be somewhat cost prohibitive.
Thanks for any insights.
Tap water is perfectly safe to use. I boil creek water and water from a surface well laden with iron, sulphur, etc and it works juuust fine. The resultant mushrooms are safe to ingest
Iron is one thing lead is a whole other beast.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#26988453 - 10/16/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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starbones said:
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Glenners said: I didn't want to make a whole thread for this. Are there any Canadian vendors with PE6 spore prints? Thanks!
Hard to find Canadian domestic vendors on Shroomery but the Marketplace here is a great place to start if you make a post looking for one. There is many, many people on The Shroomery willing to share genetics for the cost of a stamp or two.
Abiding by the board rules I can't recommend anyone in a post but I've PMed you.
I see these posts all over and I almost always jump to the inbox like, "don't spend money on shitty syringes! Shoot me your address and ill give you a print!"... i check the marketplace every day just for those peeps. Lol
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26988465 - 10/16/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said:
Iron is one thing lead is a whole other beast.
Absolutely. I was just going off his suggesting he was dealing with microorganisms. Yeah I'd think twice if the issue was lead. Good point.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26988481 - 10/16/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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PreparationH said:
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Ferather said: I don't like using coir myself, as I have mentioned several times, it contains plant phenols (lignin, so on). Plant phenols support germination of lignicolous fungi. The bonus is the lack of starch and common sugars, which means you should only ever see lignicolous organisms (notably fungi).
Ideally, to take it even further, you should replace the coir with a substrate that is just cellulose, no phenols.
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There is also a difference between added contamination (live or not), and contamination from the air.
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Carbon source: [Common Sugars], germinates and grows almost anything, almost everything can utilize it as carbon. Carbon source: [Common Starch], germinates and grows almost anything, almost everything can utilize it as carbon. Carbon source: [Plant Phenols], germinates and grows lignicolous organisms, which can utilize it as carbon.
Carbon source: [Cellulose], when complex it doesn't support germination, most fungi utilize it as carbon.
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This is why I don't like adding wheat bran to wood (adds starch), you also need to spend more money on being aseptic. I like to keep the complex cellulose, add nutrients, but no carbon sources, and use starch spawn.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid-free_paper < Please read and note (lignin, sulphur).
https://www.planetnatural.com/composting-101/making/c-n-ratio/ < 25-30:1.

I always see you posting super looking in depth stuff, but do you have any photos of actual grows to back this stuff up?
If he wanted it to take the shape of a relevant grow and seem super in depth he could run multiple clones or isolates across a variety of substrates in controlled settings. Then he could calculate the biological efficiency of each flush/total yield. Then he could put the results through a t test to strip out the noise and then, possibly have some data that would be useful/of interest to some of the people here.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26988485 - 10/16/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks guys! This is not polluted water, or chemicals and metals. Just microbes like Montezuma's Revenge/Travelers diarrhea, etc. We get our water delivered by water trucks to water tanks that we pump through our homes for cleaning and bathing. But all drinking and food prep water is bottled.
We used to let the dogs drink tap water, since they will eat anything they find on the beach, until one got sick. The vet was shocked to see that the fecal exam showed microorganisms that she "could swear were the cause of Montezuma's revenge." When we told her where we traveled she was excited to be able to confirm her guess and share the results for training. She also said that we should give the dogs bottled water from then on. We just drink beer to be safe.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26988502 - 10/16/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Not only that, but actual numbers and ratios of materials used would go quite a way in establishing something that can be peer reviewed
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24012215#24012215
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Pastywhyte said: If he wanted it to take the shape of a relevant grow and seem super in depth he could run multiple clones or isolates across a variety of substrates in controlled settings. Then he could calculate the biological efficiency of each flush/total yield. Then he could put the results through a t test to strip out the noise and then, possibly have some data that would be useful/of interest to some of the people here.
A clone was put to WBS spawn, it was spawned to 12kg of plain paper pellets (not enriched), and spawned to 600g of paper pellets (enriched). The 12kg of plain took ages, the growth was weak, and produced roughly the same yield as the 600g enriched version.
Ask gourmet lovers what happens when they increase the nitrogen value of wood via supplementation.
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If you say Cubensis arent wood-lovers, and cannot decay cellulose, and dont like a high nitrogen value, I will laugh.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#26988521 - 10/16/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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More questions, less down talk attempts pls.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#26988524 - 10/16/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ferather said: I don't like using coir myself, as I have mentioned several times, it contains plant phenols (lignin, so on). Plant phenols support germination of lignicolous fungi.
Is this supposed to imply that coir isn't suitable as bulk substrates cause it 'supports germination' of unwanted microbes? To me that's what this post sounds like but I know that coir isn't in any way effective in supporting any kind of germination and that's why we use it in this hobby I probably won't laugh (in less down talk attempts) but I'm curious about what you're trying to say.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#26988533 - 10/16/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Coir does germinate mold. Its even more obvious when you see surface mold, but nothing around the sides-bottom.
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I've once did 2x paper pellets, enriched with WL-Tek, one with added phenols (about 10%) [Sample 2].
Sample 1, grew nothing from air, even after 12 months. Sample 2, germinated trichoderma after 5 days.
Edited by Ferather (10/16/20 02:17 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#26988553 - 10/16/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ferather said: Coir does germinate mold.
What kind of experiment can I perform to establish the fact that it germinates mold? How did you come to this conclusion?
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Edited by Mateja (10/16/20 02:14 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#26988571 - 10/16/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Google: trichoderma coir. Some brands even inoculate coir with it. You can also ask around and find people who grew green mold and-or pin molds, when using coir.
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