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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
#26972736 - 10/06/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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also, presealing bags, whats most popular now? Im getting into bags again next week, and im wondering if its most popular to syringe them, presealed or to seal them after any type of transfer (agar, syringe, g2g)
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How is anyone claiming to fit 6x FULL 4qt bags in a 23qt presto?
I vacuum seal my bags so they shrink as much as possible and I get as much air out as I can and there is absolutely no room for anything but the two plates I use to weigh the bags down. There is maybe 2-3" of headspace above the bags to the lid and everything I've ever read on shroomery about bag loading a 23qt presto has been for 16qt maximum.
I want to see pictures of this.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#26972749 - 10/06/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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starbones said: Even bulk growing I'm really appreciating jars to bags. I just find it so much clearer to see mycellium and check on it with jars. As of right now I have 32 flats of 12 jars, so 388 jars.
The bags are nice but the condensation and the "crinkly" effect from PCing makes it hard for me to see clearly what's going on inside and when I do get a contamination it feels shitty to lose 4 full quarts vs say 1 jar.
I also like the look of shelf after shelf of colonizing jars and the genetics resting on grains as masters in my beer fridge.
Am I alone here in my preference? I know I can fit 16 full quarts in my PC but I run it for 3 hours and with heating up and cooling down I can get 20 mycoquarts done in the same time so jars do feel more efficient overall.

I start with these and then do my bags in the PC.. while the jars finish colonizing I do a full 23 qt presto with 6-7 bags .. I usually let my bags sit a few days before inoculating with one of these jars.. Bags get it done man ! Being patient was hard for me buddy..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Irishmule169]
#26972779 - 10/06/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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the fly doesnt move when i blow bong hits on it
ive seen enough drug movies to know where this is going
that fly is my soul animal, trying to survive in my grow room
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starbones
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Irishmule169]
#26972791 - 10/06/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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But how many full quart jars are you putting in the bags? When I fill mine I use a standard quart jar and completely fill it then dump it in the bag to measure out 4 quarts.
Four of those bags completely fills a 23qt with 16qt worth of grains. I don't see how you're fitting in another 2 unless you're doing less than 4qt in each of your bags.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#26972820 - 10/06/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Would you full grain jars all the way to the top when doing jars? 4 full quarts is more like 5 myco quarts.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26972832 - 10/06/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The only problem I've found that isn't explained clearly on here is what perfect surface conditions are in a mono?
And how to achieve them?
From what I figure, You need to keep the surface moist with a light cover of shinny water? BUT once mycelium covers the surface mist like fucks it up and makes it all mattered?
If it's drying out to quick make the FAE holes smaller? Moisture on the walls is a good sign.
I got the perfect field capacity down, just a few drops at make squeeze in a hand. But all the other stuff is not clear? Heellpp?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#26972852 - 10/06/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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going back a page or two into the clone discussion.
I'm beginning to think I have cloned something that is suited to conditions I can't give it. Several runs in different environments always ending up with the same result of primordia but no pins.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#26972873 - 10/06/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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starbones said: But how many full quart jars are you putting in the bags? When I fill mine I use a standard quart jar and completely fill it then dump it in the bag to measure out 4 quarts.
Four of those bags completely fills a 23qt with 16qt worth of grains. I don't see how you're fitting in another 2 unless you're doing less than 4qt in each of your bags.
2,200 gr in each bag, roughly...rolled tight , sealed and load them up right On the first lift ..then 2 on top.. I’ll take a pic of the next round..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mtbromo] 1
#26972921 - 10/06/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you have the perfect field capacity and your tubs are laid out exactly as described in whatever teks you're using your tub should be set and forget. No misting or attention needed at all until after first flush. If you're using a traditional monotub then the best thing would be dialing in conditions using polyfil/microphone tape..but with that said, nailing field capacity with your substrate will guide your tub into a canopy.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mtbromo] 1
#26972922 - 10/06/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mtbromo said: The only problem I've found that isn't explained clearly on here is what perfect surface conditions are in a mono?
And how to achieve them?
From what I figure, You need to keep the surface moist with a light cover of shinny water? BUT once mycelium covers the surface mist like fucks it up and makes it all mattered?
If it's drying out to quick make the FAE holes smaller? Moisture on the walls is a good sign.
I got the perfect field capacity down, just a few drops at make squeeze in a hand. But all the other stuff is not clear? Heellpp?
If you have the perfect field capacity and your tubs are laid out exactly as described in whatever teks you're using your tub should be set and forget. No misting or attention needed at all until after first flush. If you're using a traditional monotub then the best thing would be dialing in conditions using polyfil/microphone tape..but with that said, nailing field capacity with your substrate will guide your tub into a canopy.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb] 2
#26972970 - 10/06/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I sometimes give my tubs a mist to kickstart the surface conditions and run a humidifier in the fall/winter.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26973211 - 10/07/20 04:25 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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You guys that use micropore tape for spawn jars, how many layers do you use?
I put two on before pcing and then a third one after but the jar seems to be stalling now about a week in. Idk if it’s contam or a gas exchange issue so I pulled a layer off.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26973224 - 10/07/20 04:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Another question for the ages, which do you think is better spawn? a jar of fully colonized BRF cake that is grated up into hundreds of pieces OR a fully colonized grain jar?
I wonder if its ever been tested in large mono's
say 15 BRF PF cakes into a brick of coir in a 60q mono
VS
15 half quart WBS jars into a brick of coir in a 60q mono
I wonder which would colonize faster and have better yields?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26973228 - 10/07/20 04:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I use 2-3 and have no issues with stalling. Holes size 1cm.
Probably contams
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26973232 - 10/07/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: You guys that use micropore tape for spawn jars, how many layers do you use?
I put two on before pcing and then a third one after but the jar seems to be stalling now about a week in. Idk if it’s contam or a gas exchange issue so I pulled a layer off.
1/4" hole and 2 layers of micropore. I ran 3 jars with one layer and 2 triched out but I can't say for sure it was the single layer of tape obviously.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26973284 - 10/07/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: You guys that use micropore tape for spawn jars, how many layers do you use?
I put two on before pcing and then a third one after but the jar seems to be stalling now about a week in. Idk if it’s contam or a gas exchange issue so I pulled a layer off.
I've seen many around here use at least two and some up to 5 layers.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wall.E]
#26973285 - 10/07/20 06:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I used a single layer for a long time but then had a big issue with contams. So now I do one for the pc cycle and then add another after...
Pro tip:
 If you use 100mm petris and the plastic lids, the cover of the petri fits right on the plastic lid.
I've done my last 2 rounds with a single layer of tape and then leaving the petri cover on like so. No contams yet...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mtbromo] 1
#26973302 - 10/07/20 06:34 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Grated cakes suck dick. Grains are superior. That's why you see everyone using grains and only noobs grating cakes.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
#26973320 - 10/07/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said:
6 tubs or 2 tubs.... I like bags 
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TedsDead said: I know some people that fit 8 bags in their prestos
Seems like I'm babying my AA 930 then. I'm running 6 4# bags of oats and there is plenty of room. From the way y'all are talking about stuffing em I should be able to do maybe 8 or 10 bags.
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