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OfflineDracultivation
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26969367 - 10/04/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Actually, I live rather far out from any towns, and my water does come from a well. :/


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26969371 - 10/04/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)



How does the mycelium make the agar into this fiber ?? I find these in the colonized grain when I mix it up in the coir when making tubs ..


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dracultivation]
    #26969375 - 10/04/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I ask because tap water has chlorine and chloramine in it and should be clean.  The only thing in tap water besides H2O is minerals... shouldn't be anything organic in tap water, but could be all kinds of shit in well water I'm guessing. 

But I agree with Aka, probably something else.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26969379 - 10/04/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Well, there are photos + a brief explanation I posted up in the recognizing and identifying contams thread. I'm hoping that the type of contam will help narrow it down.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dracultivation]
    #26969381 - 10/04/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Dracultivation said:
Actually, I live rather far out from any towns, and my water does come from a well. :/




Do youhave a UV system for your water line? If not, get one. If you do then your water should be fine.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26969389 - 10/04/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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p9hu7 said:
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Dracultivation said:
Actually, I live rather far out from any towns, and my water does come from a well. :/




Do youhave a UV system for your water line? If not, get one. If you do then your water should be fine.




Afraid I don't. I'll look into getting one though. I have a good deal of problems from contams it seems like, so I'm guessing I'm doing a number of things wrong. At this point I'm even considering figuring out a flowhood setup simply because I'm at a loss of what else to do.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dracultivation]
    #26969392 - 10/04/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

UV will kill any bacteria etc found in the water. It's good for your health if nothing else. Pair that with some filtration, forget about it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26969753 - 10/04/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The captainfuture lib fruiting was done on a grass seed mix with a grass seed "spawn run"

but cronicr just fruited it on peat, no special root system or fucking around with grass

should i just focus on spawning it to peat? i spawned a 1/2 jar of semi myc to standard coir/verm today


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Irishmule169]
    #26970318 - 10/05/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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How does the mycelium make the agar into this fiber ?? I find these in the colonized grain when I mix it up in the coir when making tubs ..




I think its just dried out bro. The myc sucked what it could


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dracultivation]
    #26970701 - 10/05/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Dracultivation said:
Actually, I live rather far out from any towns, and my water does come from a well. :/



Fear not! Well problems like that are rather rare. There was a couple  months where I thought my bacterial spawn problems was from my well water.

I took a self imposed ban to spend more time working and less time on the boards and narrowed down my issue.

Grain prep is the #1 cause of bacterial issues for those confident with their agar work ime.

Technique is right up there next to it


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26970709 - 10/05/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I've used: tap water,  water from the surface well,  purified water,  and water straight from the creek behind our house... and never had a problem due to the water.  Ever.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26970748 - 10/05/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

the only problem I have ever had with well water (incl. softener) was that it killed/ hindered myc on agar plates, probably due to the high salt content. it seems to work fine for hydrating substrate or grains.
Idk if that's a good idea but maybe put some water on a plate and see what grows :shrug:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shroomshine]
    #26970833 - 10/05/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Anyone with more experience in this arena feel like chiming in on the topic of cloning? I generally run only LC made from clones I make and take myself. I've oft wondered when a real beauty pops up on the substrate if it's worth cloning it.

Am I wrong in thinking different genetics may still be expressed even from a clone? I remember reading that a fruiting body will contain quite varied genetics even if it's a clone of a clone. I've always just clone hunted MS shoeboxes in search of ideal genetics but I feel like that little niggling thought that I could delve deeper is there.

On another note, I made a clone of a Brazilian I thought was ideal and the result was something bizarrely different than the Brazilly I had selected. I've got both LC syringes stored from the original LC and a few jars of colonized oats in the fridge for long term storage. I took some prints of it. Is there any point in growing those prints out if I want to look for more versions of the mutant or would it more likely result in just more plain ol' Brazilians.. or is this something that has to be done to know?

Spankyou berrymud.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #26970862 - 10/05/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I had a somewhat successful cubensis  pf tek grow inside and decided to bury the cakes in the backyard after a few flushes. A couple weeks in, I almost gave up and then I saw some growth. They were In the exact spot I planted,  the same size and shape as my indoor grow, but the caps and stems are all white, instead of brown caps. I initially thought I noticed them too late and they were rotting. Veils were torn and spores had dropped, but even new pins had white caps. Is it because they are not receiving the same nutrients? I snapped the stem to see if it turned blue, and it remained mostly white. Has this happened in anyone’s experience, and are they safe or even carry any potency?



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Satelliteoflove]
    #26970874 - 10/05/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Clones are easy to take and expand. Take lots, test lots, chuck lots, keep a few for as many years as you can.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #26970887 - 10/05/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Anyone with more experience in this arena feel like chiming in on the topic of cloning? I generally run only LC made from clones I make and take myself. I've oft wondered when a real beauty pops up on the substrate if it's worth cloning it.

Am I wrong in thinking different genetics may still be expressed even from a clone? I remember reading that a fruiting body will contain quite varied genetics even if it's a clone of a clone. I've always just clone hunted MS shoeboxes in search of ideal genetics but I feel like that little niggling thought that I could delve deeper is there.

On another note, I made a clone of a Brazilian I thought was ideal and the result was something bizarrely different than the Brazilly I had selected. I've got both LC syringes stored from the original LC and a few jars of colonized oats in the fridge for long term storage. I took some prints of it. Is there any point in growing those prints out if I want to look for more versions of the mutant or would it more likely result in just more plain ol' Brazilians.. or is this something that has to be done to know?

Spankyou berrymud.




Clones are absolutely worth it and are really the only way to maintain consistency with your grows.  MS is great and I always suggest folks learn how to get consistent canopies off multispore before trying to focus super hard on finding the perfect clone because if you cant really nail good yields with ms cultures cuz struggling with surface conditions or whatever then there's a good chance a clone wont make much of a difference.

Cloning the quickest growing fruit from clusters is very reliable in finding a good culture in my experience but experiment and find what works for you.

On a side note, a print is a pretty hard reset for the genes so you may have some better success using that print despite it coming from a mutant.  You're gonna have to just grow it out and find out :cool:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Satelliteoflove]
    #26970888 - 10/05/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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.... but the caps and stems are all white, instead of brown caps.





Cubes grown outside can look like that. You'll notice the same thing indoors if you got fruits near an opened air hole on a mono. Completely normal and good to eat but as a good rule with outside fruits. Always make tea. Boiling them will kill any creepy crawlies that might make a home inside the shroom.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
    #26970889 - 10/05/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ah I was meaning, should I clone my clones. Is there going to be enough varied genetics in those clones that if a real winner pops up from my already cloned LC should I snag that, I mean more of a winner than already exists.

Or is there not enough varied genetics in a clone if any at all?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #26970944 - 10/05/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You could take a clone of your clone culture, some folks do indeed do that. I never have personally and my thoughts are it'd be a better use of time to just find more clones from MS rather than risk senescence from overworking your culture but that's just me and my theorizing.  I just take clones from MS and then work with that.

Some smart cultivators that I trust state that there are multiple strains within a clone culture and that while there is more consistency with a clone it isn't a monoculture..  Maybe cloning a clone would get you close to a monoculture but I've heard that trying to use those can backfire sometimes and aren't as great as we can imagine.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
    #26970959 - 10/05/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I thought the reason cloning clones was frowned upon was due to cell division. Iirc plates are basically not considered when expanding culture due to how much less the myc has to expand compared to when it’s put to grain. I’d imagine if you just took clones from pins on plates that they’d be much less senesced than clones that have been taken to grain

Verum has a good write up with a bunch of info you might find useful. It’s called masters and slaves or something like that


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