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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26922764 - 09/07/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

ya but any salesman/spokesman can run a good pr campaign. the general attitude twds psychedelics and  what we do has changed based mostly on their own merit from the evidence shown thru many many ppl who have used these tools and the manner that they have been used in. there is not a doubt in my mind that even back in the 60s that if they were used more so in the manner that they are just as widely used now that things would have already been very different. but instead you had a bunch of retards runnin around having a  burning man festival for years on end giving shit a bad name and scaring  the shit out of ppl that were completely ignorant to what good these things can bring cuz all they saw or heard about was strictly negative and it made those ppl not even care to be open to any good at all. but dont get me wrong im not sayin that nothing good came from all of that back then but you cant deny that general public opinion wasnt effected in a negative manner due to it and the misinformation and scare tactics put out by the government for many many reasons im nit even gnna get into due to the rd it will go down.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26922779 - 09/07/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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People seem to get hung up on exact measurements and sizes but that stuffs not important. As long as you’re anywhere remotely near what the teks recommend it’ll be fine.

If you have clean spawn there’s not really a way to have too much bulk unless you go out of your way.




Thanks A.k.a., I'm boiling water now to pasteurize some coir. Do you recommend anything different than:

1) Putting 1" of coir (field capacity) in 6qt tub
2) Adding the two 1/4 pints of spawn
3) Adding 1/4" layer of coir
4) Closing tub and letting sit in a dark closet


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26922781 - 09/07/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Also interesting observation, I left my SGFC with the lid cracked open overnight, and no funky smells this morning. So either the bacteria didn't have enough enclosed space to build a smell, or it's that one specific place of the tub where I left open (where the smell came from), or perhaps too much stagnant water? :shrug:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jcm4620]
    #26922788 - 09/07/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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ya but any salesman/spokesman can run a good pr campaign. the general attitude twds psychedelics and  what we do has changed based mostly on their own merit from the evidence shown thru many many ppl who have used these tools and the manner that they have been used in. there is not a doubt in my mind that even back in the 60s that if they were used more so in the manner that they are just as widely used now that things would have already been very different. but instead you had a bunch of retards runnin around having a  burning man festival for years on end giving shit a bad name and scaring  the shit out of ppl that were completely ignorant to what good these things can bring cuz all they saw or heard about was strictly negative and it made those ppl not even care to be open to any good at all. but dont get me wrong im not sayin that nothing good came from all of that back then but you cant deny that general public opinion wasnt effected in a negative manner due to it and the misinformation and scare tactics put out by the government for many many reasons im nit even gnna get into due to the rd it will go down.




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Funky Monkey]
    #26922809 - 09/07/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Stamets is my guy. I dont jump on board with his cultivation practices, I follow this website. Reading about something a TC did last month is a lot more pertinent than a 20 year old book. I also don't know enough about the damage done by his taxonomic work as that's above my head. Also, his business does charge a bit for stuff that is cheaper or free depending on who you know.

But his obsession with mushrooms and passion definitely rubbed off on me. I never wanted to fuck with mushrooms after a bad trip I had after eating a quarter 12 years ago. But him taking about the  "wood wide web" the bee thing, the hats, all of it on the JRE podcast piqued my interest and I started reading about mycology and got really into it after my first 3g+ dose. Now here we are, lol.

So like someone mentioned, sometimes it's a few dominos from where the first one fell or whatever


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26922826 - 09/07/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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rickomalley238 said:
Quote:

A.k.a said:
People seem to get hung up on exact measurements and sizes but that stuffs not important. As long as you’re anywhere remotely near what the teks recommend it’ll be fine.

If you have clean spawn there’s not really a way to have too much bulk unless you go out of your way.




Thanks A.k.a., I'm boiling water now to pasteurize some coir. Do you recommend anything different than:

1) Putting 1" of coir (field capacity) in 6qt tub
2) Adding the two 1/4 pints of spawn
3) Adding 1/4" layer of coir
4) Closing tub and letting sit in a dark closet




A 6qt tub will be to big for a half pint of spawn total. If you can find something a bit smaller than a shoebox I’d recommend something like 3-4qts. The more air space you have in your box compared to sub you’ll have your sub dry out quick. Check Walmart or something for something smaller if you can and have the money.

You don’t want your tub to sit in darkness. You want it to sit in the open with the blinds open or a light above. Light is beneficial in all stages of growth. Don’t mess with your box at all until you see pins is the game (patience) because the more you mess with it the greater chance you’ll mess up the conditions. Conditions are best when your sub is at field capacity (squeeze the sub and only have a small trickle or few drops come out).

For a half pint of spawn you’ll be best going with a full pint of sub. 1:2 ratio would be better to make the volume of your sub bigger. And yes, 1/4inch top layer and tamp your sides down tight.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MadHatter333]
    #26922843 - 09/07/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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MadHatter333 said:
Quote:

rickomalley238 said:
Quote:

A.k.a said:
People seem to get hung up on exact measurements and sizes but that stuffs not important. As long as you’re anywhere remotely near what the teks recommend it’ll be fine.

If you have clean spawn there’s not really a way to have too much bulk unless you go out of your way.




Thanks A.k.a., I'm boiling water now to pasteurize some coir. Do you recommend anything different than:

1) Putting 1" of coir (field capacity) in 6qt tub
2) Adding the two 1/4 pints of spawn
3) Adding 1/4" layer of coir
4) Closing tub and letting sit in a dark closet




A 6qt tub will be to big for a half pint of spawn total. If you can find something a bit smaller than a shoebox I’d recommend something like 3-4qts. The more air space you have in your box compared to sub you’ll have your sub dry out quick. Check Walmart or something for something smaller if you can and have the money.

You don’t want your tub to sit in darkness. You want it to sit in the open with the blinds open or a light above. Light is beneficial in all stages of growth. Don’t mess with your box at all until you see pins is the game (patience) because the more you mess with it the greater chance you’ll mess up the conditions. Conditions are best when your sub is at field capacity (squeeze the sub and only have a small trickle or few drops come out).

For a half pint of spawn you’ll be best going with a full pint of sub. 1:2 ratio would be better to make the volume of your sub bigger. And yes, 1/4inch top layer and tamp your sides down tight.




Thanks. I'll go to stores today and look for a 3-4qt tub. From experience though, these are very hard to find. Generally there are tubs 6qt+ and tubs less than 1 qt.

If this is the case, can I go with something between 1 to 2 quarts?

Also, I don't understand how I can measure a 1:2 ratio without putting the coir in unsterile conditions (measuring cup, etc.) Is the ratio still not 1" of coir, add spawn, mix, add 1/4" of coir?

Thanks agian


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26922853 - 09/07/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You can use rough estimates. So, if I'm understanding correctly your plan is to spawn 2 1/4 pint jars? If you have empty ones just measure out 4 of those. You can eyeball it, it doesn't have to be exact.

Like aka said, theoretically in a perfect environment you could throw 1/4 pint of good spawn into a 5 gallon bucket full of coir and it would consume the entire thing and fruit. But since those conditions are hard to get down, we just do 1:2 because it's a lot easier to have it colonize quicker and avoid having contamination. This is all from my own understanding of the process though and if anyone wants to correct me, please do.

So use what you think would be an adequate amount using your judgment as a gauge. Use the jars too fill up soil or something and see what 4 of em looks like. Idk, use your imagination. But it doesn't have to be exact. Don't put so little on there that it looks like it's about the same amount, but also don't load so much in that you think you're going overboard. Idk how else to recommend doing it without measuring prior to.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wall.E]
    #26922864 - 09/07/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Myc_Hunt said:
You can use rough estimates. So, if I'm understanding correctly your plan is to spawn 2 1/4 pint jars? If you have empty ones just measure out 4 of those. You can eyeball it, it doesn't have to be exact.

Like aka said, theoretically in a perfect environment you could throw 1/4 pint of good spawn into a 5 gallon bucket full of coir and it would consume the entire thing and fruit. But since those conditions are hard to get down, we just do 1:2 because it's a lot easier to have it colonize quicker and avoid having contamination. This is all from my own understanding of the process though and if anyone wants to correct me, please do.

So use what you think would be an adequate amount using your judgment as a gauge. Use the jars too fill up soil or something and see what 4 of em looks like. Idk, use your imagination. But it doesn't have to be exact. Don't put so little on there that it looks like it's about the same amount, but also don't load so much in that you think you're going overboard. Idk how else to recommend doing it without measuring prior to.




Ahh I just asked ya this. Got it, I appreciate it man. So I will attempt to find a tub between 3-4 qts, if not, I believe 1-2 qts should be adequate?

Then will eyeball 4 1/4 pints in substrate, mix with the broken up cakes, and add a 1/4" top layer of substrate. Sound good?

Now, just to find a proper tub..


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26922890 - 09/07/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

For 1/4 pint cake you could just use the bottom of a two liter bottle or something instead of buying a tub. Literally anything that will hold coir.



Coir doesn’t contaminate easy you don’t need to worry about keeping it sterile. It’s really all about clean spawn.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26922901 - 09/07/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

What's are some up to date teks for casing PE variants? I'd like to avoid peat moss as it's very environmentally unsustainable, but I'm willing to purchase it if substitutes really dont' work as well here.


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    #26922908 - 09/07/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

lotkid has one.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA]
    #26922919 - 09/07/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, his uses peat moss though. I'd rather use hpoo or something (if it works), personally, but ultimately I want to use what works best. I'm reading over grow logs right now trying to find people using something other than peat.

Edit: I give up, I'm just gonna buy a fat bale of peat next time I'm in town.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26922926 - 09/07/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Peat is it. Using more bulk sub doesn’t do the same thing.

Why don’t you want to use it?




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26922931 - 09/07/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

for a casing tho u want somethin non nute containing


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26922944 - 09/07/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Peat is famously unsustainable, it's even being banned in some places for ruining bogs. I used jiffy mix previously, like you posted, but I was hoping for something I could feel better about. I'll have to do more research and experimentation in the meantime, I guess.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jcm4620]
    #26922948 - 09/07/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, you're right. Not sure what I could replace it with. What about high carbon compost? I have tons of that. I know compost is generally considered way too nutritive, but if the carbon to nitrogen ratio is high enough it could maybe work..?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26922986 - 09/07/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Why is this considered an outdated method?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26923004 - 09/07/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You could cut the jiffy with a lot of coarse verm to stretch it out. Other than that I can’t remember seeing anything else for casing.


The cup I just put another one on top upside down, the others I either put a plastic sheet on top or wrapped in cling and poked a bunch of tiny holes in. Or you could just use a quart jar with the lid loosened or a bag on top.



Again my point is mostly that every little detail doesn’t matter, just get decent spawn and mix it with coir in literally anything you’ve got laying around and it’ll do fine. My first pans grow was a milk carton with the plastic from a sleeve of plates over it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26923012 - 09/07/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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rickomalley238 said:

1) Putting 1" of coir (field capacity) in 6qt tub
2) Adding the two 1/4 pints of spawn
3) Adding 1/4" layer of coir
4) Closing tub and letting sit in a dark closet




A tub like this 6qt shoebox?

That would be mixing 1 Qt super clean spawn to 2 Qrts coir...

                 

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