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Maybe you could wait til they’re totally colonized and then fill them with water for a couple days. Drown the flies and hydrate the grain.
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26909989 - 08/31/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now that's a plan i could back up.
Outside would be better if you can pull it off
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26909999 - 08/31/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I’ll try soaking and spawning 5 just for shits and giggles And the rest I’ll put outside . I live in the Midwest it might be getting a little too cold for cubes now but fuckit
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tryptkaloids
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As long as it's not freezing they should be good.. Unless the colder nights slow em down enough to not fruit in time for the freeze
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To those who worked extensively with both SABs and flowhoods, what are your opinions of one vs the other? Why build or buy a SAB if you have really good SAB technique?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
#26910034 - 08/31/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have only ever seen flowhoods used, but they seem much less cramped and you can move more freely
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26910043 - 08/31/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So much more space bro . I have to remember I can move my feet and not stay in the same spot lol . I love my flowhood
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26910044 - 08/31/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Right, a flow hood is better if not just for the fact you don't have to worry about knocking into it and letting shit fall onto your work
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wall.E]
#26910085 - 08/31/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So I've been doing a bit of research, and wonder if anyone knows the answer to this. I read that the longer you consolidate, the more potent the mushrooms would be (this sounds a little bizarre to me considering mycelium supposedly wait until full colonization before pinning anyways.)
I birthed my cakes after about 3 days consolidation, because they were 1/4 pint so I consider it would be half the time of the 1/2 pint jars, I wonder now if this may be an issue...
Either way, I read they will fully colonize in the chamber if they weren't initially (I believe they were).
Could this affect potency though? Consolidation time?
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tryptkaloids
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Consolidation increasing potency is old misinformation.
The people who say that are guessing.
It's correlation not causation.
Potency is inherently a genetic trait
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26910107 - 08/31/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Consolidation increasing potency is old misinformation.
The people who say that are guessing.
It's correlation not causation.
Potency is inherently a genetic trait
Good to know.. a bit unrelated but what about those stories of people who somehow successfully get fruits using white rice flour? Do you believe those shrooms would have less potency because of less nutrients?
Oh, and do you think my 3 days consolidation was too early? Hopefully not considering the jars are half size.
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They'll fruit when they are ready, don't put too much thought into it.
Nutrients are for fruit production, not potency
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So I'm winding down the monotubs and not spawning anymore currently until I deal with this airborne contamination issue. There is mold due to relatively stagnant air, the same air being blown around by a fan isn't doing anyone any good and with a RH of 85% it's just lovely for mold and mildew. I understand things like trich have a hard time germinating on coir but when you're running a basement full of monotubs that chance increases exponentially and if a tub or two gets missed as it happened then the air is saturated with spore.
I'm using Pasty's EZ Dial tubs because so far they're the best performance I've seen.
Obviously the need for fresh air and to reduce the RH is a must here but fresh air right now and down the road is tricky. Right now the outside temperature is very high compared to the basement which means that the outside air has higher humidity and will most likely lead to condensation and further mold problems in the basement, in the winter that fresh air intake would be sucking in extremely cold and extremely dry air.
First and foremost I'll be covering all the holes in new tubs with micropore tape in an effort to keep spore out as much as possible. I've noticed that where the contamination on my subs begin is always at one of the lower air intake holes. Up until now those holes were running wide open and it's my hope that FAE is not reduced too much with the impedance from the tape. If so I'll double up the holes one atop another.
For the air in the basement itself the option of an air exchanger exists but it will require being able to heat the incoming air during the winter, a dehumidification setup should not be needed if I'm heating cold winter air. There is a furnace but due to great insulation and building design it needs to run very little and I'm worried it won't provide adequate air exchange to combat mold and mildew.
Another option is clear poly sheeting to build two large fruiting rooms which means removing the need for monotubs I suppose and comes with the benefit of increasing fruiting surface area if I use shelving with wire racks. This is the high cost option. Intake air can be filtered through a clean room filter and exhaust piped outside while praying that the RH I'll need does not cause ice build up that clogs the exhaust vent.
Another option is a fungicide like Banrot 40 as described by RR, this is the least ideal option as little information for cultivation exists for it I'm finding and in the end while production has been stellar I believe there is more weight to be gained by the switch from passively supplying the basement with fresh air to actively increasing it substantially.
What I wouldn't give for a steel building outside with growing racks and a complete air exchange setup with humidity control using those 0.4 micron water misters.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#26910344 - 08/31/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you have an HVAC register in the room? Sounds like you already know what the problem likely is.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26910364 - 08/31/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: They'll fruit when they are ready, don't put too much thought into it.
Nutrients are for fruit production, not potency
ahh I missed your reply.. ok gotcha. I read tons of info that consolidation allows the mycelium to digest more nutrients and make more potent shrooms so I am pretty bothered that the mushrooms I produce won't be as potent..
But then again, I wonder if since the jars were 1/2 of the size, only 1/2 the consolidation time is needed, being 3.5 days (which give or take I think they consolidated for.)
Still though pretty bugged, the information is very all over the place.
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Pastywhyte
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I’m currently running 9:30 pm to 9:30 am. Hopefully I can catch the “night cycle” spore dumps before they occur.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26910685 - 08/31/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I’m currently running 9:30 pm to 9:30 am. Hopefully I can catch the “night cycle” spore dumps before they occur.
Give the saran wrap thing I posted a few pages back where people crawled up my ass. Poke holes in it to keep FAE going, mist it a bit and throw the misted side down atop your fruits so the spores that are kicked up by heat stick to it.
Might work for ya
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#26910733 - 08/31/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I’m currently running 9:30 pm to 9:30 am. Hopefully I can catch the “night cycle” spore dumps before they occur.
Give the saran wrap thing I posted a few pages back where people crawled up my ass. Poke holes in it to keep FAE going, mist it a bit and throw the misted side down atop your fruits so the spores that are kicked up by heat stick to it.
Might work for ya 
I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. I’m going to prevent spore dumps by setting up a Pseudomonas hotel?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26910780 - 08/31/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Right before my caps were about to shit spores while I was sleeping I lightly misted some saran wrap after poking a ton of holes in it with a fork. When I woke up the caps were open and relatively spore free as the spores had been drafted up to stick on the damp saran wrap.
Pseudodomonas in a matter of 6-8 hours? Seems very unlikely but you do you PW. It worked a treat on my B+ canopy that I tried it on.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#26910787 - 08/31/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can someone (preferably a trusted cultivator) or anyone who really knows their stuff answer this for me please..
Basically, the PF Tek says for 1/2 pint jars, to consolidate for 1 week. I have 1/4 pint jars, so I divided that in half and consolidated for 3.5 days. Is this = to 1 week for a 1/2 pint jar?
And if not, what damage/negative effects will happen because I only waited 3.5 days consolidation? Will my mushrooms be fine or have full potency.
I know this seems repetitive, but this particularly is the question I am trying to get answered.
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