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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26883428 - 08/16/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Some mushrooms can actually eat plastic under specific conditions.



Whaaaat.. would that be a good thing to eat those mushrooms?? My only question was... as a man in his upper 40s not wanting to be poisoned.... whether if some micro plastics made their way into the jar by fumes or by liquid, if this can harm the mushrooms

I dont think they did.. but if somehow they did

Or whether it would harm the colonization jar..


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26883430 - 08/16/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah but man you made like three threads about it yesterday. If you’re tripping that hard over flaming a needle you’ll never make it through a grow.


Celestial I’ve had plates look just like that and it made me wonder if the plates were cracked or contam got in when I opened to pour. It looks like bacteria underneath the puck.

In any case I can’t wait until it cools off in a month or two, I had no idea how much warm whether upped contams.




no my friend I didnt make a thread I posted here, but thing is I inoculated more jars today and the plastic got even more burnt!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26883437 - 08/16/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Sucks I missed the convo . But my bag of verm was a vector for my contamination . Sucking up access moisture in a wet ass basement underneath a chicken coop for a few months . . I definitely believe the verm itself or whatever bugs crawled in the verm was a problem for me

Just throwin that out there


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26883471 - 08/16/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Some mushrooms can actually eat plastic under specific conditions.



Whaaaat.. would that be a good thing to eat those mushrooms?? My only question was... as a man in his upper 40s not wanting to be poisoned.... whether if some micro plastics made their way into the jar by fumes or by liquid, if this can harm the mushrooms

I dont think they did.. but if somehow they did

Or whether it would harm the colonization jar..




Mushrooms generally cannot pull up large molecules like plants do, they break down their food before they eat it. Then only eat what they need. They rarely even bioaccumulate metals either. AFAIK the only heavy metal proven to be accumulated in the fruits of cubes is mercury.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Culliganman360]
    #26883487 - 08/16/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Out of literally a thousand tubs I have never once had vermiculite be a contam vector.  There's a reason why you don't see Trusted Cultivators bashing vermiculite.

I only put warm water in my coir and verm buckets now, I never boil it or anything anymore. Out of ~50 tubs so far doing that I haven't had any contam before 2nd flush (I toss them after that) and  I don't plan on stopping.

Out of hundreds upon hundreds of tubs done with pouring boiling water on coir and vermiculite, in a busted ass 100 year old cramped studio with mold spores and dust literally everywhere naturally, I have never once had a contam before first flush that I could attribute to substrate. Always it was something hidden in the spawn. And any that contammed during the second flush, which are very very rare, I feel confident is from bad technique/careless G2Gs.

And using coir only without verm for substrate is sub-par compared to adding verm IMO.

I love verm and will defend that shit to the end.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26883508 - 08/16/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Some mushrooms can actually eat plastic under specific conditions.



Whaaaat.. would that be a good thing to eat those mushrooms?? My only question was... as a man in his upper 40s not wanting to be poisoned.... whether if some micro plastics made their way into the jar by fumes or by liquid, if this can harm the mushrooms

I dont think they did.. but if somehow they did

Or whether it would harm the colonization jar..




Mushrooms generally cannot pull up large molecules like plants do, they break down their food before they eat it. Then only eat what they need. They rarely even bioaccumulate metals either. AFAIK the only heavy metal proven to be accumulated in the fruits of cubes is mercury.




Very interesting. If I understand this correctly you mean that if mushrooms grow, they only contain what they have eaten? So if there is, say, plastic, or some poison in the tub, the mushrooms will not consume it and so wont be affected by it? Not sure I understood correctly.

I was very bummed when I saw the slight plastic melt as I did not know how many which ways this could affect my jars.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26883534 - 08/16/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Mushrooms exude metabolites into the media they wish to colonize. These metabolites start to break down the food, a sort of digestion. Once it’s broken down the hyphae then move in and absorb the desired nutrients. Anything else is basically ignored. Hell people even stopped using lots of nitrogen supplements in bulk simply because the mushrooms need so little and any excess simply won’t be used by the colony.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26883536 - 08/16/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

When you flame the needle the whole thing gets hot. Even if you’re only getting the last half inch red hot the heat is conducted through all the metal, so if you’re that worried about plastic you just have to give it more time between heatings or keep an alcohol or water soaked paper towel to cool it off after each inoculation.

I don’t like plastic in my bod either, it’s bad for your test levels and probably 18 other things. But I don’t think you need to worry about it in your scenario.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26883560 - 08/16/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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When you flame the needle the whole thing gets hot. Even if you’re only getting the last half inch red hot the heat is conducted through all the metal, so if you’re that worried about plastic you just have to give it more time between heatings or keep an alcohol or water soaked paper towel to cool it off after each inoculation.

I don’t like plastic in my bod either, it’s bad for your test levels and probably 18 other things. But I don’t think you need to worry about it in your scenario.




So this is a normal doing for those who flame sterilize their needle? Yes that's all I was worried of, either the plastic going through the syringe or the mushrooms containing plastic.
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When you flame the needle the whole thing gets hot. Even if you’re only getting the last half inch red hot the heat is conducted through all the metal, so if you’re that worried about plastic you just have to give it more time between heatings or keep an alcohol or water soaked paper towel to cool it off after each inoculation.

I don’t like plastic in my bod either, it’s bad for your test levels and probably 18 other things. But I don’t think you need to worry about it in your scenario.




Ok I knew at least believed I did not flame the plastic at all maybe the splittest of a second..

Well at least you understand I dont want plastic in my body or in my mushrooms, or whatever bullshit toxic gasses are produced inside my first mushroom grow..

It was really bothering me because I thought maybe small amounts could harm them. Like imagine if a plant breathed in plastic gas.

I dont want to be worried about flaming and melting plastic if you guys assure me this doesnt matter


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26883597 - 08/16/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I haven’t used syringes much but I remember on my first grow I was trying to be super sterile and flaming the needle like crazy and after a couple jars the f’n thing started to wobble because the plastic had melted so bad and I knew I never flamed anywhere near it. I just had that metal cooking.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26883644 - 08/16/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Some mushrooms can actually eat plastic under specific conditions.




P. Microspora can for sure

But as far as heavy metals, havent there been lots of studies on wild and commercial mushrooms and heavy metals?

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00128-009-9767-8#:~:text=The%20main%20threats%20to%20human,(Kala%C4%8D%20and%20Svoboda%202000)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308814605005108

Or were you speaking specifically about cubes? Has there been any real research done on cubensis and heavy metals?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26883651 - 08/16/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Pastywhyte said:
Some mushrooms can actually eat plastic under specific conditions.




P. Microspora can for sure

But as far as heavy metals, havent there been lots of studies on wild and commercial mushrooms and heavy metals?

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00128-009-9767-8#:~:text=The%20main%20threats%20to%20human,(Kala%C4%8D%20and%20Svoboda%202000)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308814605005108

Or were you speaking specifically about cubes? Has there been any real research done on cubensis and heavy metals?




I was speaking about cubes. There was a study I read a few years ago on cubes Pleurotus and S commune and metals. That was a few devices ago though.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26883659 - 08/16/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Wikipedia has information oh hyperaccumulators in their page on mycoremediation.

Not a metal but morel mycelium can accumulate arsenic into the fruiting bodies, it’s pretty common in old apple orchards where they used to use arsenic as a pesticide. They can also accumulate lead


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26883714 - 08/16/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I haven’t used syringes much but I remember on my first grow I was trying to be super sterile and flaming the needle like crazy and after a couple jars the f’n thing started to wobble because the plastic had melted so bad and I knew I never flamed anywhere near it. I just had that metal cooking.




Did the mushrooms turn out fine?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26883717 - 08/16/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Wikipedia has information oh hyperaccumulators in their page on mycoremediation.

Not a metal but morel mycelium can accumulate arsenic into the fruiting bodies, it’s pretty common in old apple orchards where they used to use arsenic as a pesticide. They can also accumulate lead




So if my BRF jar accumulated small amounts of plastic, would the mushrooms consume this and if so does this make them toxic? or is it that they consume them and then use it as food, so it is not toxic?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26883730 - 08/16/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I haven’t used syringes much but I remember on my first grow I was trying to be super sterile and flaming the needle like crazy and after a couple jars the f’n thing started to wobble because the plastic had melted so bad and I knew I never flamed anywhere near it. I just had that metal cooking.




seriously to end this bullshit because I don't understand this fully... IF plastic DID get in.... my mushrooms would be fine, correct, because they would grow around it?

Or, they would consume it and become plastic/toxic..? Im curious if your melted syringe mushrooms were A-OK


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26883753 - 08/16/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Your mushrooms will be okay.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wall.E]
    #26883781 - 08/16/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The mushrooms will be fine
Theyll probably make you grow a clitoris on your chest, but the mushrooms will be fine


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26883844 - 08/16/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Only way to know is try em and see if you die or if your dick inverts:shrug:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
    #26883940 - 08/16/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Out of literally a thousand tubs I have never once had vermiculite be a contam vector.  There's a reason why you don't see Trusted Cultivators bashing vermiculite.

I only put warm water in my coir and verm buckets now, I never boil it or anything anymore. Out of ~50 tubs so far doing that I haven't had any contam before 2nd flush (I toss them after that) and  I don't plan on stopping.

Out of hundreds upon hundreds of tubs done with pouring boiling water on coir and vermiculite, in a busted ass 100 year old cramped studio with mold spores and dust literally everywhere naturally, I have never once had a contam before first flush that I could attribute to substrate. Always it was something hidden in the spawn. And any that contammed during the second flush, which are very very rare, I feel confident is from bad technique/careless G2Gs.

And using coir only without verm for substrate is sub-par compared to adding verm IMO.

I love verm and will defend that shit to the end.





Culliganman360 said bugs in verm, which is entirely possible.


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