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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: swinghigh]
    #26882387 - 08/15/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

First time grow.  I already had to throw away one grow tote because of contam.  Now my promising one has only one damn mushroom.  Weeks of waiting around for one freaking mushroom.  Can you hear the disappointment in me. Lol.

What am I doing wrong. 

I have a bunch of side pins.  Like 10. But only one where it’s supposed to grow.






What can I do to turn this around. I did brf to bulk. 1:2 ratio of coir bucket tek with some gypsum.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: swinghigh]
    #26882397 - 08/15/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Those are the tips I was indicating yes... Anything beyond the halo to the left as well... those other plates are also opaque with bacteria ... the colonization in the tub looks ok so far, but its UBER wet (not just slightly)... You'll likely end up needing to pour puddles from the surface ...

The shoebox looks bacterial and overmisted...  theres a great deal of primordia that look stalled from having water sitting on them... likely hovering over it, and misting obsessively

my advise: unhook the latches, place the lid on it, walk away for 3 or 4 days.... PATIENCE...  remember that evaporation is a pinning trigger, and cant occur if it cant get fresh air, or you're misting obsessively ... also, unless you're in the desert, cut out the gypsum as it's just another vector for contaminants


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26882430 - 08/15/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

also those other plates your thinking of are the same plate man just under a different light.

so i should attempt to grab those tiny tips that i circled or am i to stay away from these. i see where your talking about im just confused as to if you mean this is where the contamination is or if thats where i should be trying to take a sample from to transfer to a fresh plate


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26882460 - 08/15/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

a bit better pictures of the area suggested for contamination.



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: swinghigh]
    #26882806 - 08/16/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This convo is great, halos always confuse me.

@Caps am I right in saying that if a halo is uniform it's bacterial. I ask because sometimes I see a halo of very fine hyphae extending before the white myc but doesn't have the opaque effect it more looks like a texture and then sometimes I get exactly what your pointing out here.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26882847 - 08/16/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Caps McGee said:
also, unless you're in the desert, cut out the gypsum as it's just another vector for contaminants




What's gypsum got to do with humidity and why is it a vector? I got no problem assigning things as vectors but gypsum? Imo that's like saying verm is a vector.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #26882855 - 08/16/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That plate, and the other 2 are ALL bacterial dude... I'm sorry, but its true...

The halo is bacteria: uniform or not... gypsum is a "vector" in the same way anything that's not been sterilized and added unnecessarily is... IMO/E verm IS an unnecessary vector...
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It's an ingredient that's not necessary that could potentially harbor nasties which lie in wait until moisture is added and its closed up on a hot and humid tub... I don't feel it has to be extremely nutritious or inherently filthy to represent a vector for contaminants,  do you?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee] * 1
    #26882867 - 08/16/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Substrates are rarely sterilized so I guess the water is a vector. The air too. The coco definitely. It all is with that logic:lol:

Vectors in my mind are more static. Like modded lids can be vectors. Wet filters, my own hands shit like that.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #26882869 - 08/16/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I dont know if its a vector but it is a waste. So is verm. Coir is all ya need for cubes and its cheap AF so I never have understood why people want to add anything else. Ive done verm. Ive done black cow. At the end of the day coir is king. Speaking of coir... Ive been using a cooler that leaks for my coir prep. Just load up any amount of coir and pour way more water than you need. There is no right or wrong amount. The coir will hold the right amount of water and the rest will leak out if the crack and your left with perfectly hydrated coir everytime. Its literaly a no brainer. If I ever lose this cooler I will buy a new one and drill a some small holes in it to create the same effect. Not that measuring water is hard its just this is easier and comes out perfect everytime.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #26882873 - 08/16/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

A bag of verm with an opening sitting I  your garage, or a handful of gypsum you grab with your own hands? All the other things you mention are vectors as well: but it needs some of those things for success:  THAT'S what cultivation is about... weighing the risks vs the benefits of said vector and determining whether it contributes in a large enough fashion to justify the inherited risk... like stated (and a PERFECT example), unless living in the desert, gypsum is unnecessary and represents a vector... I dont see how, with your logic, the lid IS a vector, but an additive to the substrate is not? Gypsum and verm are not, but the body part tou use to add them is? Maybe in lies the 8ssue with the practice: there arent definitive definition to terminology


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee] * 1
    #26882888 - 08/16/20 07:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Because a modded lid has the potential to fail from user error. So in my mind I think of that as a possible vector.

Open bags of verm or gypsum being used as an 'additive' in open air spawning of non sterile material is not in my mind a vector.

The possible mold in the spawn that got in from faulty lids? Vector. That same mold running rampant in a substrate isnt able to do so because the grower added vermiculite. The vector would be the(hypothetical) faulty lid.

I just think its misleading similar to saying wet grains cause bacteria. Bacteria causes bacteria the wet grain just gives it a place to flourish but that doesnt automatically mean 1 equals the other.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #26882904 - 08/16/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

And exactly why I posed the statement like I did... weigh the pros and cons and determine if the inherited risk is worth it... they ARE all absolutely vectors for contaminants... and mold from a faulty lid? Wouldnt that mean the spawn was dirty to start with? How far back into archived thought processes shall we go? Cant you fart and pick your nose at spawn?
Water, air, grain and coir are necessary (at minimum)and these are all STILL vectors for contaminants... excess moisture doesnt CAUSE bacteria, it exacerbates an existing infection... "it's too wet and bacterial" is still an end result of too much moisture: the same starting endospores would not do as well in drier grain and may never gain a foothold of control... I'll leave it there because I don't typically argue with walls


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26882913 - 08/16/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Lol ok caps.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #26882934 - 08/16/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Can you use a 23qt presto on a gas stove? I was hoping I would be able to use this 1500 watt electric burner for my 23qt presto but it’s had the weight on for 20+ mins and no pressure. I’m thinking it’s because there’s a safety mechanism that only allows the burner to heat up to a certain temperature then it “shuts off”

Any ideas would be great I’m attempting to be as stealthy as possible


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CrashTest]
    #26882941 - 08/16/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yes just dont have the flame set so high it laps up the sides of the cooker


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26882942 - 08/16/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Do you know of any electric single burner that will get up to temperature to run this PC? I live with roommates and they are certainly going to ask questions once I put this on the stove. I am a chef but it’s kinda obvious I’m not cooking haha


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CrashTest]
    #26882950 - 08/16/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Cadco industrial burners. Cost a pretty penny but they're the most reliable electric burner


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26882955 - 08/16/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Word thank you that’s what I was afraid of but I may be able to get PC runs at night or when my roommates are gone. It’s running now on my hot plate and at this rate I will have just boiled my agar for 45 mins instead of PCing it. I’m still gonna pour plates with it but it sucks to have a PC and a burner and they don’t work together.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #26882957 - 08/16/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just saying, it's a silly argument to engage when there are no clear definitions and both parties are concrete in their thinking... I still got mush love for mushboy lol

Anyone else running oats in a 75X? I'm having to undercook the grain before sterilization, or the center of mass in each bag turns into oatmeal... curious if anyone else had run into and solved the issue... last run I just brought to a boil, and drained immediately... They look better this time but still some burst grains... am I heating/venting too quickly perhaps?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26882962 - 08/16/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

How are you prepping your oats?
I use four 60 quart pots. Get the water boiling and take off the burners. Pour 25lbs of oats in each one and put lid on for 40 min. Then dump and take time to thoroughly dry.


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