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 Re: Cultivation General Discussion  [Re: mushboy]
#26882873 - 08/16/20 07:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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A bag of verm with an opening sitting I your garage, or a handful of gypsum you grab with your own hands? All the other things you mention are vectors as well: but it needs some of those things for success: THAT'S what cultivation is about... weighing the risks vs the benefits of said vector and determining whether it contributes in a large enough fashion to justify the inherited risk... like stated (and a PERFECT example), unless living in the desert, gypsum is unnecessary and represents a vector... I dont see how, with your logic, the lid IS a vector, but an additive to the substrate is not? Gypsum and verm are not, but the body part tou use to add them is? Maybe in lies the 8ssue with the practice: there arent definitive definition to terminology
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee] 1
#26882888 - 08/16/20 07:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because a modded lid has the potential to fail from user error. So in my mind I think of that as a possible vector.
Open bags of verm or gypsum being used as an 'additive' in open air spawning of non sterile material is not in my mind a vector.
The possible mold in the spawn that got in from faulty lids? Vector. That same mold running rampant in a substrate isnt able to do so because the grower added vermiculite. The vector would be the(hypothetical) faulty lid.
I just think its misleading similar to saying wet grains cause bacteria. Bacteria causes bacteria the wet grain just gives it a place to flourish but that doesnt automatically mean 1 equals the other.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26882904 - 08/16/20 07:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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And exactly why I posed the statement like I did... weigh the pros and cons and determine if the inherited risk is worth it... they ARE all absolutely vectors for contaminants... and mold from a faulty lid? Wouldnt that mean the spawn was dirty to start with? How far back into archived thought processes shall we go? Cant you fart and pick your nose at spawn?
Water, air, grain and coir are necessary (at minimum)and these are all STILL vectors for contaminants... excess moisture doesnt CAUSE bacteria, it exacerbates an existing infection... "it's too wet and bacterial" is still an end result of too much moisture: the same starting endospores would not do as well in drier grain and may never gain a foothold of control... I'll leave it there because I don't typically argue with walls
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26882913 - 08/16/20 07:45 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol ok caps.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26882934 - 08/16/20 08:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can you use a 23qt presto on a gas stove? I was hoping I would be able to use this 1500 watt electric burner for my 23qt presto but it’s had the weight on for 20+ mins and no pressure. I’m thinking it’s because there’s a safety mechanism that only allows the burner to heat up to a certain temperature then it “shuts off”
Any ideas would be great I’m attempting to be as stealthy as possible
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CrashTest]
#26882941 - 08/16/20 08:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes just dont have the flame set so high it laps up the sides of the cooker
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26882942 - 08/16/20 08:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you know of any electric single burner that will get up to temperature to run this PC? I live with roommates and they are certainly going to ask questions once I put this on the stove. I am a chef but it’s kinda obvious I’m not cooking haha
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CrashTest]
#26882950 - 08/16/20 08:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cadco industrial burners. Cost a pretty penny but they're the most reliable electric burner
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26882955 - 08/16/20 08:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Word thank you that’s what I was afraid of but I may be able to get PC runs at night or when my roommates are gone. It’s running now on my hot plate and at this rate I will have just boiled my agar for 45 mins instead of PCing it. I’m still gonna pour plates with it but it sucks to have a PC and a burner and they don’t work together.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26882957 - 08/16/20 08:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just saying, it's a silly argument to engage when there are no clear definitions and both parties are concrete in their thinking... I still got mush love for mushboy lol
Anyone else running oats in a 75X? I'm having to undercook the grain before sterilization, or the center of mass in each bag turns into oatmeal... curious if anyone else had run into and solved the issue... last run I just brought to a boil, and drained immediately... They look better this time but still some burst grains... am I heating/venting too quickly perhaps?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26882962 - 08/16/20 08:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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How are you prepping your oats?
I use four 60 quart pots. Get the water boiling and take off the burners. Pour 25lbs of oats in each one and put lid on for 40 min. Then dump and take time to thoroughly dry.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Anastomosis]
#26882986 - 08/16/20 08:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Putting them in the pots(12.5 dry lbs in a presto lid sat on but bot turned close(no pressure) and bringing the water just to a boil and dumping them... have considered heating the water before adding the grain but not gotten that far yet... these last were undercooked going in, and some were burst post-cycle... I'm fan drying the outsides until they're rattle dry externally... may need to put the temp on "8" instead of "10"... idk, but I've tossed nearly 3 50lb bags of oats in the last couple months wah lol... I'll nail it down again, just an adjustment period... this grain seems to hydrate extremely easily: may end up scaling up my prepless ratio to reflect 4qt finished bags and fold the bags to allow swelling lol...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26882993 - 08/16/20 08:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea. I had issues with oats bursting when I heated the water with the oats in them. And I have issues with bacteria if I don't dry the shit out of the oats. But if those two things are worked out, the oats are fine.
I much prefer rye, but can't obtain it here. And the wheat has been filthy as hell lately, so oats it is.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CrashTest]
#26882998 - 08/16/20 08:38 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Been seeing this a lot lately. I have done a lot of reading & trouble shooting of my SAB process already and now I’m wondering if it’s our water and that I am spraying contams into the box along with the soapy water. Lately we’ve been seeing some black crud build up on our faucet ends and in the toilets. I cleaned up a bunch yesterday in the bathroom and this morning I saw my latest pair of transfers starting to launch satellites, on day 2. That session, I felt pretty good about my process in the box and the changes I made to it. I remember a while back, some members had traced issues with their grows to their water, but that was affecting their sub. Anyway, I will try a dry box & distilled water next I guess, but anyone have any experience with this?
Also, any favorite SAB videos? It can’t hurt to keep trying to dial in my technique.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ttching8475]
#26883001 - 08/16/20 08:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Try a dry sab run, you may never spray again... In either event, shouldn't be spraying the box with plates in it, and should always allow any vapors to settle for 2-3 minutes before loading it
SAB technique tips:
Slow concise movements, never placing any more of yourself or your instrument over donor or recieving plates/jars, than is necessary to get the transfer or drop made
Work with new/recieving media furthest, and "less sterile" equipment and cultures closest to you
Flame outside of the box
And yeah, I can't find rye or wheat here... WBF or oats ... or MILLET @$60/50#!
Edited by Caps McGee (08/16/20 08:46 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26883139 - 08/16/20 09:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you’re saying just use coco coir. Coco is king. I live in Florida so humidity isn’t really an issue but we Floridians run our air conditioners all day everyday. And the main objective of a good central air unit is to reduce humidity in your home. I thought hpoo was king that’s why I went out and bought some dehydrated aged hpoo.
As for the that grow box. I only misted once a day at night usually when I came home from work. I would fan it after misting. Probably 3-4 sprays. Appreciate ur advice. I put the lid on upside down. Won’t look at it for a few days. Just worried those side pins veil breaks and spores get everywhere.
Quick question. When using hpoo. Do u case if right away or wait a few days for it to colonize then case it. Or it doesn’t matter. I did one shoebox 1:2 ratio brf to hpoo and another brf to coco bucket tek on the same day. I did both on the 11th and the hpoo seems to be colonizing much faster. Both were done with the same ratio 1:2. Spawn to sub and I cases both with less than a quarter inch.
Brf to coco/verm/gypsum. I only used a 1/4 cup of gypsum for a brick of coco
Brf to hpoo. Cases with sub mix from above
Does there seem to be too much humidity on the walls of hpoo shoe box.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26883150 - 08/16/20 10:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hahaha ok bud obviously your dead set on my stuff being bacterial yet no other members can confirm your findings but w.e just one dude opinion no offence not going to trust one opinion compared to 5 or more
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: swinghigh]
#26883206 - 08/16/20 10:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I had a mazatepec grow going along side my others. It’s the one that contammed on me and I had to bury out side. It looked similar to the other one on the last page
When I put it into fruiting the top turned grey on me. So I burried it out back.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Jbets75]
#26883217 - 08/16/20 10:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ya that's fucked
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26883310 - 08/16/20 11:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alright guys I'm pretty upset at the moment.. I just inoculated a few more jars. It seems the torch I use is very good at sterilizing the needle, but it also somehow scorches just a bit of the plastic at the end of the needle. I might have accidentally torched it there for a split second as well.
So the end, purple part of the syringe is very slightly melted (just a little deformed), and now I'm thinking what if this plastic got into the syringe and into the jars. Like, if not melted plastic, what about some plastic fumes?
Would this mess with the mushrooms that grow, by imbedding them with plastic fumes or remnants? Pretty worried at the moment, don't want plastic fume mushrooms here..
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