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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26878933 - 08/13/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Says breathable but I wonder if it’s as breathable as micropore. On the back up in the corner it says transpore tape


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26878945 - 08/13/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Last year when I first got in the game I bought a lot of those tapes thinking there micropore .

There not, tape will melt in pc


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Culliganman360]
    #26878963 - 08/13/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well that squashed that. Thank you


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fietchen]
    #26878974 - 08/13/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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....working sterile as possible.




If you were being as sterile as possible you would have at least sterilized your grains, then you would have used agar for your spore syringe.  :shrug:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26879027 - 08/13/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Those grains are reallyyy wet also


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26879039 - 08/13/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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For tubs, that transpore works just like micropore


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Anastomosis]
    #26879233 - 08/13/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Does anyone have fairly accurate numbers on the required PC time for 4x4qt spawn bags in a 23qt Presto?

I have been doing them for three hours at 15PSI as I read here but it feels excessive to me given the dimensions of a spawn bag, if the goal is to heat the middle grains to proper temperature for thirty minutes.

When seperated by jar rings the depth across the narrowest part of the bag is actually only slightly larger than a 1QT jar. Height wise the grains in a bag are actually shallower than they would sit in a loaded jar. Given these measurements the only part that is truly a good deal thicker would be the size along the gusset to gusset measurement.


I guess I could just start running them for less time and go back if contamination becomes an issue.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Anastomosis]
    #26879293 - 08/13/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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For tubs, that transpore works just like micropore





Nexcare is all I've been using. Not the plastic kind like that tho. The paper tape.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #26879351 - 08/13/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Does anyone have fairly accurate numbers on the required PC time for 4x4qt spawn bags in a 23qt Presto?

I have been doing them for three hours at 15PSI as I read here but it feels excessive to me given the dimensions of a spawn bag, if the goal is to heat the middle grains to proper temperature for thirty minutes.

When seperated by jar rings the depth across the narrowest part of the bag is actually only slightly larger than a 1QT jar. Height wise the grains in a bag are actually shallower than they would sit in a loaded jar. Given these measurements the only part that is truly a good deal thicker would be the size along the gusset to gusset measurement.


I guess I could just start running them for less time and go back if contamination becomes an issue.




I do 6 2kg bags, 2.5 hours.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: The Dalcassian]
    #26879498 - 08/14/20 02:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I've got a jar that I suspect is bacterial and just want to check. It's APE, my first attempt at it and my grain master looks like it has a giant mashmallow growing inside. There's no signs of mold or metabolites, I mean it could be super tomentose growth but please give me your opinions.

It's the jar or the right, the one on the left is just a random Thai I have going.






Don’t look good mate tbh, my advice would be to try and top fruit that and hope for some kind of flush and grab some clones


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Culliganman360]
    #26879512 - 08/14/20 03:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

They are not maybe from the Liquid in the Syringe. Hope it works. Brf cakes never heard that bevore


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fietchen]
    #26879549 - 08/14/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Looking good to me from the dry standpoint after injection yesterday



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fietchen]
    #26879644 - 08/14/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If you didn’t sterilize the grains there’s no way it’ll work. It’ll take about a week probably but it’ll blow up with mold for sure.

I’d start over right now to save yourself that week of time.


I had no idea there were different kinds of tape until I ran out recently and ordered more and got a different kind. The first rolls I had were like woven thread sort of and the new ones are smooth like paper. I guess it’s transpore and micropore but they’re similar.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fietchen]
    #26879672 - 08/14/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Looking good to me from the dry standpoint after injection yesterday






If you didn't have to sterilize or do culture work then people wouldn't bother. You can get away with spores to grain with a good spore syringe, some of them are made quite well and almost always germ clean when acquired from the right source...this however is still not preferable to selecting growing mycelium from a petri dish, clean spores or not.

Sometimes you can get lucky with an aggressive pleurotus culture on unsterilized grain or supplemented substrate which may lead one to believe that sterilization is unnecessary, but it is.

"If the fool would persist in his folly he would become wise"

If you are persistent enough you'll see what I'm talking about.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26879718 - 08/14/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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If you didn’t sterilize the grains there’s no way it’ll work. It’ll take about a week probably but it’ll blow up with mold for sure.

I’d start over right now to save yourself that week of time.


I had no idea there were different kinds of tape until I ran out recently and ordered more and got a different kind. The first rolls I had were like woven thread sort of and the new ones are smooth like paper. I guess it’s transpore and micropore but they’re similar.





Who say i don't sterilese? I did but without a pressure cooker only a cooker


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fietchen]
    #26879731 - 08/14/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You boiled for 2 hours, this is not sterilization.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26879746 - 08/14/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)


So I took it out the jars because 2 pins were visible.
Now in the tutorial I used he scratched the mycelium on the side which should help the mushrooms to grow better.
Should I do that too or keep it this way?

@p9hu7
Cooking helps also because of the steam and the heat.
I don't have an pressure cooker either and the first time I didn't cooked it at all and most of them are contaminated. This time I cooked 4 out of 6 and they are fine. The other two were too big for the cooker and they got contaminated.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PsycDiesel]
    #26879755 - 08/14/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I wouldn’t scratch them up with a fork. I think that’s more of a desperation move if you have matted mycelium that won’t pin. I don’t think it’s necessary or helpful for a healthy grow.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PsycDiesel]
    #26879771 - 08/14/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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So I took it out the jars because 2 pins were visible.
Now in the tutorial I used he scratched the mycelium on the side which should help the mushrooms to grow better.
Should I do that too or keep it this way?

@p9hu7
Cooking helps also because of the steam and the heat.
I don't have an pressure cooker either and the first time I didn't cooked it at all and most of them are contaminated. This time I cooked 4 out of 6 and they are fine. The other two were too big for the cooker and they got contaminated.




You cannot sterilize grains by boiling them for two hours. 2 hours is not long enough. I can't remember off the top of my head how long to steam sterilize BRF cakes but it absolutely does not apply to grains.

I'm not going to bother to type out the process for atmospheric sterilization, look it up....honestly guy's just think about it for 1 second. If it takes 2 hours to sterilize at 15 psi, how much longer to sterilize at atmospheric pressure? Not the same amount of time, that's for sure.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26879782 - 08/14/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I wouldn’t scratch them up with a fork. I think that’s more of a desperation move if you have matted mycelium that won’t pin. I don’t think it’s necessary or helpful for a healthy grow.



Great thanks for the fast response. I will keep it that way then.


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You cannot sterilize grains by boiling them for two hours. 2 hours is not long enough. I can't remember off the top of my head how long to steam sterilize BRF cakes but it absolutely does not apply to grains.

I'm not going to bother to type out the process for atmospheric sterilization, look it up....honestly guy's just think about it for 1 second. If it takes 2 hours to sterilize at 15 psi, how much longer to sterilize at atmospheric pressure? Not the same amount of time, that's for sure.



Even when you put on the lid?
I mean I just can tell what I experienced and I don't think that I even boiled it for 2 hours.
Think you can't sterilize it by 100% this way but it's better without any boiling in my opinion. Since I don't have an pressure cooker, it was my only chance and luckily it worked.
I did it this way at 10:00

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