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OfflineMLPismyOPSEC
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SoupyGeorge]
    #26863956 - 08/05/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

No good data to back this up, but i have a sneaking suspicion that second/third/later flushes have a higher water content. Most of my first flush fruits (FFFs for short :lol:) land somewhere between 8-11%. Just recently dried some third flush monsters and they ended at 6-8%. I only had a half dozen third flush fruits, and this is only from one tub/variety, so it's nothing concrete.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
    #26863962 - 08/05/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I vacuum sealed them and put them up. Within a week they all had flex to them and lost the cracker dryness, my guess is they weren't all cracker dry to begin with and the left of moisture in the few fucked up the many.



I've heard there are bags that are porous, like for vegetables. Are the bags you seal nonporus?

I put silica packs in too, if the wifie hasn't ripped off all my packets!
Mine takes about 4 hrs...





The idea of a porous vacuum bag never crossed my mind. I would think that would defeat the vacuum part. That may have very well been my issue, I'll look into that later. Thank you for that bit of knowledge.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
    #26863983 - 08/05/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I wouldn't trust cracker dry by feeling, the mushroom dries from the outside in and there could be a lot of concentrated moisture in the core that takes time to diffuse to the surface, it will feel and break as though it's desiccated but the moisture in the middle will redistribute over time and make it bendy.
You can run an experiment where you dry to your liking, weight (A), store them how ever you like and set them aside for a month, taking them out and weigh them again (B), dehydrate again, weigh again (C).
If B>A your storage isn't good, if A=B>C you are not drying enough.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jackrabbitcytoplas]
    #26864041 - 08/05/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Even fan dried mushrooms will crack when you try to bend them after 10 hours or so but they will only be at like 70% dryness. Moisture can hide all up in the mushies and you really have to eradicate it to safely store long term.

If they willl be gone and consumed within months then a 6-10 hour cycle is probably fine depending on your RH but if you may have blocks of airtight containers packed somewhere for years you definitely want to go 20+


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26864066 - 08/05/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I do mine for 6-8 hours in a dehydrator, then they spend days to a week or so in the fridge in an open bag.. and that will make sure they are totally dry..

Kind of did it by accident the first time.. dried a whole batch and left them on the counter overnight and it was humid out... woke up to soft shrooms :frown: threw em in the fridge til i re-ran them in the dehydrator but the fridge put them back to crispy dry.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech]
    #26864068 - 08/05/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

24 hours at 160f for me


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26864069 - 08/05/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I’ll let them sit out for a couple days or put them in my temp control dehydrator at 105f until they are as dry as I can get them and then I put them in a tote with dissicant then a layer of paper towels some damp rid tops for more separation, another two layers of paper towels then the fruits. In there for two days the dissicant sucks whatever water was left in them. Then vacuum seal and freeze. Just tried some the other day from last year and I swear they are about as potent as the day i picked them.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech]
    #26864079 - 08/05/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I do mine for 6-8 hours in a dehydrator, then they spend days to a week or so in the fridge in an open bag.. and that will make sure they are totally dry..

Kind of did it by accident the first time.. dried a whole batch and left them on the counter overnight and it was humid out... woke up to soft shrooms :frown: threw em in the fridge til i re-ran them in the dehydrator but the fridge put them back to crispy dry.




The fridge will only dry things out if you live in a dry climate. Some places have damp ass fridges.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26864109 - 08/05/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The fridge will only dry things out if you live in a dry climate. Some places have damp ass fridges.




Amen Pasty, not only damp ass, but when we lose power, once a week,
the freezer melt floods the floor! 

I'll have to revisit my idea of cracker dry. Good thread all y'all!!!!

Yah, just got two bags of desicant packets from Amozoon!
Ok, just loaded 160g RW, not really cracker dry (busted)
and will weigh agin, nerds rule!  :awesomenod:
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
    #26864300 - 08/05/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hey guys... I know I was complaining about my PC not venting. I just ran it today with 3 quarts of water in a 23 quart presto without anything in it. It’s not steaming but the pin goes up and I can hear air coming through the pipe. My pipe isn’t clogged and the ring seems fine. I’m at a loss because it was working a couple cycles ago. Please help!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MadHatter333]
    #26864317 - 08/05/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Steam is invisible. What you see coming out of the vent is water vapor.
If you can feel "air" coming out of the vent, and if the water inside is boiling, then
likely all is good. Maybe it's just producing little vapor so you cant see it coming from the vent.

How aggressive is the flow of "air" coming from the vent before you put the wright on?

I usually put my lid on after bringing the pot to a boil so it takes less time
to start venting steam and building pressure. Are you putting the lid on right away?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26864321 - 08/05/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I used to be able to see the water vapor come out but it’s not coming out anymore. It does have a solid stream of hot air coming from the vent pipe but no physical water vapor. I put the lid on then start the PC and that’s how I’ve always done it with no issues.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MadHatter333]
    #26864329 - 08/05/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If you put the lid on first then turn up the heat you have to vent it for
longer since you effectively trapped room temp air inside. If you bring to a boil
first you've already replaced a decent amount of air with steam before putting the lid on.

This is just my experience. In no way am I saying it's the only or even the right way to do it.

If you can feel and hear the vent spewing hot "air" then you're good. If the water
inside is boiling, then it's producing steam which has to go somewhere.

Dont know what to say about the change in water vapor being present,
but according to physics you should be good :lol:

The presence of water vapor is in no way indicative of the presence of steam.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26864339 - 08/05/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Idk... it just worries me that I’m not physically seeing it anymore when I used to be able to. I’m going to try to boil first then lid and will report back.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MadHatter333]
    #26864346 - 08/05/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You cant physically see steam though. Thats my point.

If you take a hot shower, it will produce water vapor, no? But your shower isn't
212f/100c. The vapor is a product of rapid evaporation that makes really small
water drops that go airborne. where as steam is an invisible gas created by
bringing water to its boiling point.

If the water in your cooker is boiling, then steam is being generated. Simple as that.

Whether you can see water vapor or not is irrelevant.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26864353 - 08/05/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I notice less vapor if it’s humid in the room I’m using. I usually vent for 25 mins just because it makes me feel better and I’ll see the column for a few minutes after it’s started venting and then it’ll become less pronounced until I open the garage door.

That rush of dry air is refreshing af too


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MadHatter333]
    #26864360 - 08/05/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Is this a common difference between cubensis varieties?

This is the colonization of a Cambonian shoe box I spawned a while back.


And here we are with the Ecuadorian shoe box i spawned about a week ago.


The growth of the mycelium is just so different. Is this common?

Extra info: These two grows were done exactly alike to the T except for inoculation on grain. The Cambodian was a 1st generation grain jar inoculated with MS syringe. The Ecuadorian was 2nd generation grain to grain from agar.

Cambodian Grow Log

Ecuadorian Grow Log


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SoupyGeorge]
    #26864376 - 08/05/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Its intimidating to evaluate what is genetics and what is conditions

when is blobbing normal, when is blobbing bacteral, when is blobbing a casing thing

Beautiful spawn = clean spawn ?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26864377 - 08/05/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I let it boil first then put the lid on. When I did that the pin automatically went up as I tightened the lid. Steamed for a bit that I physically saw, then it kept a steady flow of hot air. I guess it should be fine than, thanks for clearing this up.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MadHatter333]
    #26864670 - 08/05/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Doing the pf tek method for two weeks now and except for a few spots the mycelium developed well.
When is the right time to get it out the jar and let it soak in water?
Does it need to develop until I can't see the Vermiculite and the rice flour?


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