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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26851804 - 07/29/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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 GT I'm happy with this flush
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26851821 - 07/29/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Pasteurizing coir to prevent contams is like jerking off with a condom to prevent STD’s.
First information I followed for tubs recommended boiling water for coir. Didn’t find information about using tap water until later.
For the three tubs I made recently, I decided to try one with tap water and the other two with the boiling water method I was used to. Guess which tub is a few days ahead of the others...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: psycho_myco]
#26851829 - 07/29/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh no psycho! You’re supposed ter chop off the bottoms before making the big pile. Now someone will be crunching coir/verm while trying to choke them down lol. That’s a nice pile though
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I always thought the boiling water was to cook the coir more than anything else. Supposedly the myc does better with it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26851866 - 07/29/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: I always thought the boiling water was to cook the coir more than anything else. Supposedly the myc does better with it.
Well, there’s absolutely zero scientific method to what I’m doing, as it wasn’t meant to be a comparison. More just to see if it worked roughly as well, and would allow me to cut out several steps and an overnight wait in the future.
The tap tub had pins 2 days ago, boiled tubs are still just knots today. But, y’know, different varieties, ratios, etc. Next go round I’ll do a side-by-side where the variables are as similar as possible other than boiled vs tap for a more fair comparison.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] 1
#26851872 - 07/29/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: I always thought the boiling water was to cook the coir more than anything else. Supposedly the myc does better with it.
I feel you but I don't worry about it I brush it off when they're dry and comes off super easy and if somebody eats a little bit of verm or coir I just think think of it as god made dirt and dirt dont hirt lol.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#26851893 - 07/29/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I bought a CO2 monitor and outside it measured around 400 ppm. Inside my grow room, I was surprised to see it was around 1700 with 30 bins in there. I opened the door for 10 minutes and got it to a similar level to outside. Inside the bin measured at around 2500 and then slowly started creeping up higher and higher. My flushes and grow are fine, except for occasional trich. I just thought this was interesting. I assume the ideal level of CO2 would be matching that of outdoors as long as you could keep the humidity high, with that amount of air exchange. Does anyone else have experience with this?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26851898 - 07/29/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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sandman420 said: I didn't realize everyone was so conservative on the temperature around here. It was always said to be "140-170" in my circles of information but I don't think you need to be so super careful or there are much super hard and fast rules.
Not trying to be wildly controversial or anything my bad.
140-170 used to be the standard however, people’s specific elevations often throw a wrench into the low end of the temps and 170 is a bit like riding a razors edge. I personally like to keep it between 150-160 for about 60-70 min. 90 min pasteurization is unnecessary and may even contribute to partial sterilization (especially for people living at sea level.
Why would elevation matter in pasteurization? You are measuring temperature directly and that's what microbes die from.
Water has a lower boiling point at higher elevations.
I know that, but you are measuring the core temperature directly, the only difference is it will get there slower in high elevation when the heat source is steam. My reasoning is, if you are submerging your to be pasteurized material in a water bath at a controlled 140F and wait for the temperature to equalize, elevation shouldn't matter, it's the same 140F, so either 140F is ok or it isn't. I guess in practice the reason it works at sea level is that the hotter steam means a greater temperature gradient in your sub and if you pull it out at 140F core temp then residual heat will bring it up to 140F+something while at higher elevation the gradient is smaller and will bring it to 140F+something smaller.
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You’re correct but it’s still an obstacle IMO. People trying to rush, cutting corners, etc. IMO if you want to cut a corner with cubes use coir, fuck pasteurizing anything if you don’t have too. A lot of older pasteurizing teks don’t even call to measure temp, some used to be based on time. Guess it’s good we have a community like this.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26852038 - 07/29/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I’m in my grow closet after work, and I bend down to check out a couple of my tubs and as soon as I opened the tub I said to myself “EW what’s that smell?” It was my own feet. They stank. Tubs are looking good though lol
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CrashTest]
#26852047 - 07/29/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26852150 - 07/29/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said:
I guess I can stop buying condoms now. Can't afford them anymore anyways.
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What's a condom
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Srirachi]
#26852242 - 07/29/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Srirachi said: Man I totally feel you on this one. No joke - I got rid of everything and took a break. Not saying you should do that, but I was running umpteen dozen tubs out of a hunting cabin long ago, with better results than I could get in a nice lab setup years later with tons more experience under my belt. I still don't know what happened. I'm doing fine again, but only after being so fed up I would rather have smuggled live peyote into prison than light my burners.
A lot of people say Stamets is outdated, but Stamets is rock fuckin solid, and when someone accomplishes half of what he has, they'll be halfway to the point that I'd take their advice over his. That's my advice. Pick up GGMM and read it cover to cover three times.
Stamets has documented what works every time. We here have documented what works until it doesn't.
Check my ebook link in my sig/journal if you don't have a paper copy of GGMM
Thanks Srirachi. I took your advice on a lower cook time and temp and man, the grains were near dry when I unloaded the jars into the flowhood today. Cooking em longer like I have been expels a ton more moisture out from the grains while cooking and it takes an extra day or 2 for the grains to reabsorb the moisture. I wonder if all of it even gets reabsorbed. Also in the past there was an instance when the PC ran out of water after cooking for awhile and I put it through an entire other cycle and the grains were very dark and smelled caramelized like sugar when they were done, so what you said about converting starches to sugar is definitely true. That time the myc colonized super slow and I can't remember how the run went but you may be onto something. I think I may go buy a bunch of minis because the few minis I do normally always make it to the end of the second flush. The smaller sub or higher air flow definitely help the subs make it longer considering whatever problem I'm having whether it is bacterial or mold related. It'll be a pain in the ass misting and harvesting but who cares at this point if it gives me success. I have Stamets book GGMM so I'll read that again, going back to basics from an epic grower like Stamets is a good idea. You've been super helpful my friend thank you very much.
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Since y’all talking coir, how long do you let it sit around before using?
Like i hydrated a brick in a bucket with the boiling water three weeks ago, made a few shoeboxes but still have some coir left and some spawn now ready. Usually I use it all at once but I didn’t have enough spawn ready this time. You rekon 3 week old hydrated coir is good? It’s been in the sealed bucket since it was hydrated.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smoothcat]
#26852326 - 07/29/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pasty says you can let coir sit for months while farting and burping on it and still get rockin flushes so... you may be good 
I am crackheadedly sterile and handle my spawn like nuclear material, pasteurize my coir and use it within 24 hours, bomb my house between runs, go through 3 stages of cleaning tubs between each run, load tubs with gloves on in front of a flow hood while wearing a surgical mask, climate control my grow room perfectly all year round, and keep throwing tubs out before the first flush so...
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Make good axenic spawn, it forgives so much.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26852357 - 07/29/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sherlock Shrooms said: I am crackheadedly sterile
Maybe your tek needs to be cleaner than a crackheads lol
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Pastywhyte said: Make good axenic spawn, it forgives so much.
Today i learned the word axenic 
Very handy term, thanks pasty
Useful for explaining plant tissue culture to people.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26852359 - 07/29/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey, is this looking okay?

Same box, different shots
Its been looking like its ready to pin for a few days now, and I think it may be on the dry side.
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First time with WBS. You think it's dry enough to do some a2g? If not, I'm gonna let them sit for a day or 2.

Ignore the hard water stains. Fuckin well water...
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