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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26849645 - 07/28/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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My original comment seems to have gotten out of hand. I was just trying to say that mushcult seems to be the cutting edge of cultivation practices, the R&D that takes place here combined with the experienced moderators and trusted cultivators that act as a natural filter for good information sets MC at the tip of the spear. I was surprised to find that the culture seems to be slightly behind or at least different over there. I was a bit disappointed to see that a TC didn't immediately recognize the issue with the tek being displayed, but that's just me.
I am a stickler for detail so if there is something that I know is wrong on the boards I'm going to call it out. I know people will do it for me as well, I want to be in possession of the best possible information and I want that for the newer folks as well.
@sandman.. ah, my mistake
Edited by Stipe-n Cap (07/28/20 10:41 AM)
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sandman420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ovoidhunter]
#26849646 - 07/28/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It doesn't matter how aggressive or whatever sirachi wants to get he's still wrong. That's why he's resorting to deflecting to me apparently lying about being a welder. What a lil tart he is. Meow.
Pasteurization temps might matter but they arent limited to that 130-140 range lol
I'm telling you I and many others did pasteurization outside that for years with great results.
Hopefully tomorrow isn't another day of you saying I spread dangerous information like yesterday was. Let's be friends and we can hang out play uno and drink Sunny Delight at my grandmas house.
Edited by sandman420 (07/28/20 10:40 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26849679 - 07/28/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said: My original comment seems to have gotten out of hand.
Not at all. Sorry you feel like it was you. I don't understand why Sandman thinks I am being aggressive, because it's right there for people to see how I was offering advice and he didn't react well with his objections. But like monkeys in a cage, he and I are poo flingers. It is us, not you.
I'm actually quite helpful when approached properly. My post history in cult speaks for itself. So does my work. I'm not a contrarian on purpose, but if someone is saying something works/doesn't work/whatever, I think attacking the info, and not the "shitty graphic design" is the route to take.
I won't say any more though and I have no problem with sandman - this is the internet, and context is lost on the screen. This could have been a conversation we had back in the days of the Romps. Pretty sure Swazey threw a beer can at me when he was telling me how he does coir
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26849712 - 07/28/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Are you using coir?
Try to pasteurize poo over 150 and see what happens!
140-160F has been pasteurization shroom status quo for decades.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Srirachi]
#26849718 - 07/28/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow! Where did you find that? Awesome, thank you. I didn't know. I thought 170f was good. And I have an 85 gallon Bubba's barrel sterilizer. I also have a 24" x 36" flowhood. I put oats in bags and coco in bags and then load in the drum. I do different cycles for each. It has been going good, except a certain percentage of my bins get trich after the first flush, not all.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Srirachi]
#26849732 - 07/28/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im glad you guys are making nice now... Are you gonna finish that beer?
Edited by Inthepit (07/28/20 11:40 AM)
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natedawgnow
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#26849791 - 07/28/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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natedawgnow said: Are you using coir?
Try to pasteurize poo over 150 and see what happens!
140-160F has been pasteurization shroom status quo for decades.
Great. What's your point? Sandman is over here saying he pasteurizes at over 170 with no issues concerning contams.
Personally i think a core temp of 160 is too high since the outside of your sub is well over pasteurizing temps at that point and I like to have a decent safety net.
I like to shoot for 140-150
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26849797 - 07/28/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have successfully pasteurized at 170 in a PID controlled barrel with "no issues" with contams for many a year for sure.
lotta ways to skin a cat it would seem. Some cats even expand coir with room temp water gross.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420]
#26849809 - 07/28/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Coir with room temp water is fine and makes sense.
Partially sterilizing poo and not having significant (subjective) contams for years sounds unlikely, but if you say it's true, who am I to say youre a liar? I just wouldn't recommend it to noobs.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26850001 - 07/28/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I didn't realize everyone was so conservative on the temperature around here. It was always said to be "140-170" in my circles of information but I don't think you need to be so super careful or there are much super hard and fast rules.
Not trying to be wildly controversial or anything my bad.
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Psyche delics
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26850006 - 07/28/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Should I be measuring the core temp, I usually just measure the water temp it's in at 140-160 and it comes out fine but I'm new to manure.
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Should measure the core temp (in multiple places if you have multiple bags o whatever, ideally) for timing the cycle.
Like it may take so and so hours to get to 150 or whatever your choice of temp is who knows variables will effect this, and you want to hold it for so and so time. Use the core temp for that.
Hot water baths usually heat up pretty evenly though, in theory, if you are using that type.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420]
#26850039 - 07/28/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The way i do pasteurization involves slow cookers and at least 2 thermometers per slow cooker, one in the water and one in the center of material being pasteurized
Sounds like i tend to run on the higher side of temps, but i dont think there would be an issue with partial sterilization since i monitor the water temp carefully
I am about to tray up some caerulescens so maybe i will try some at a lower temp, but ive never had any issues doing manure at 160 in this way
But i guess that makes sense, since i think controlling the water temp avoids the issue of partial sterilization on outside of bag natedog is talking about
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26850252 - 07/28/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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So in general for manure, you have to go lower? like 140f?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26850541 - 07/28/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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First time really with WBS. Prepped WBS once before and underestimated the amount of water it takes up during and after the PC cycle. How does this look in terms of hydration? This is before throwing it in jars and putting it through the PC.

I used a variation of Frank's method. I drained it shortly after I noticed a small amount of burst grains
Edited by Gan (07/28/20 07:31 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion *DELETED* [Re: Gan]
#26850543 - 07/28/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#26851129 - 07/29/20 05:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is very unfair to Sirachi that you banned him and no one else. He asked me not to say anything but I think everyone ought to know that you banned him for 30 days and it would appear the person who attacked him first did not receive a ban and is still posting. He was right about pasteurization and while he was childish to go through that other person's post he told me he does not post his advice anymore because this is exactly what would happen to him. I suppose you will ban me now too. Well I have Sirachi's number so be my guest. He has helped me already and he answered several questions with answers no one else had suggested, and the people asking the questions were all appreciative. He said that it was your personal bias and it was not worth complaining about but last time I stopped posting, everyone wanted to know where I went. Well Sirachi told me that I should come back but what I thought about this site was right the first time. Now no one needs to message me and ask where I am.
Sorry Sirachi, I miss you already.
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