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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #26831546 - 07/18/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So what's the most you guys have gotten off a monotub of similar size to mine and how big was the tub I use bods 54qt sterilite unmodified I would like to be able to hit 1lb consistently in no more than 6 weeks


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #26831548 - 07/18/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Normally a good goal to shoot for is 1 oz dried per qt first flush. So do the math for how much spawn you used.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Gan]
    #26831554 - 07/18/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:
Although at a certain point you cant just keep crammi g spawn and sub into a mono and hope to yield more.  I use 4 qts per tub


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #26831555 - 07/18/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I kind of figured what gan said I was going to load a tub up with about 10 qts more of needed and hope that can get me what I need y dont u think I can't load it up with lots of spawn and sub


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #26831568 - 07/18/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No, id make 2 tubs with those 10 qts.  10 qts of spawn in a 54qt tub is rediculous.  Theres only so much surface area in the tub for fruits to form and having more spawn wont make them bigger, genetics yields big fruits


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #26831571 - 07/18/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If you're going to put 10 quarts in something make it 110 quart underbed box. 10 quarts spawn and two bricks of coir. There's only so much before it's overkill and pointless. 10 quarts in a 54 quart is overkill. There's only so much surface area.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #26831573 - 07/18/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I know 2 would be better but let's say I'm limited on tub space I could do multiple flushes and still get the same amount that 2 tubs would have with that same amount of spawn and sub correct?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #26831577 - 07/18/20 10:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm also thinking if it takes 2 or 3 weeks to colonize but only 1 more week for every additional flushe then it would save time to do 1 tub with a double batch than to do 1 after the other cut down on colonizing time


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #26831578 - 07/18/20 10:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No. U need more surface area.

You may not even get 2 flushes. Thats assuming that it doesnt get contaminated.

Ive made tubs with 8 qts and 4qts and they yielded the same so I stick with 4 now cause its a waste of spawn to use more

4 qts of a good culture can yield half a lb on the first flush


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #26831582 - 07/18/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

R u fucking serious I dont understand how that works u do mean after multiple flushes right not just 1 flush? I mean there r more nutrients in there so if u got the same amount that means on the tub with more spawn some of it wasnt used?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #26831586 - 07/18/20 10:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yup,  it doesnt need to eat it all at once.
Say you had a plant... you can feed it all the nutrients u want but it can only uptake so much and too much may harm it.  More isnt always better. Theres a fine balance
In this case I would say that less is more because you could have doucle the fruiting area.  You could always use the shallow totes and stack 2 ontop of each other then remove the lids and monitor conditions for fruiting


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #26831606 - 07/18/20 10:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I thought myc could only be harmed by certain ingredients for example alfalfa is really high in nitrogen so u dont want to use alot in the sub I didnt think it mattered how much spawn u added because the grains are a good balance of nutrients and I know it doesnt bes tri eat it all at once that's y there r multiple flushes right? I just cant wrap my head around it your saying it will just stop producing even tho the environment is perfect and there r plenty of nutrients that kind of goes against the nature of things


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #26831613 - 07/18/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Your sub/spawn balance will be off or if you add extra sub to compensate then it will be too deep. The too much nutrients was a plant analogy of the situation.  You still have so only so much surface area to fruit and only so many shrooms can fit in that area regardless of how much spawn is used.  It doesnt automatically mean that youll get more flushes either or that subsequent flushes will be bigger.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #26831615 - 07/18/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Now if that is the case because like u said the surface are thing what if once it was near fully colonized you put the brick on its side so u have double the surface area or even mixed half put a piece of foil over it then mixed the other half on top and once near full colonization separated them and flipped them both on their side that would give u 4x the surface area


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #26831616 - 07/18/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

And I'm talking if I did that I would literally make a double batch of everything double coco double spawn so the ratio would be right and there would be alot more surface area


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #26831618 - 07/18/20 10:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Are you not able to stack two tubs like he suggested? That wouldn't take up any extra floor space


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Gan]
    #26831627 - 07/18/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Let's imagine my floor space is maxed and so is my roof space I'm trying to think of how to get the most out of a small space like imagine if u could only do 3 or 4 tubs in a closet u would want to get the most possible


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #26831631 - 07/18/20 11:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

There’s a point where your sub block can be too thick.. you’ll have problems with too much heat being produced in the center of the block.. during the summer, you’re just asking for contamination before first flush or a poor flush and then contamination.. at least that’s been my experience.

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    #26831632 - 07/18/20 11:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Then id work on getting the best possible genetics that I could.  You did say that u had 10 jars and room for 1 tub tho so if u have room for 3 or 4 I dont see the issue.

Like fat said, sub can be too thick.

If you turd them sideways like u suggest it will be hard to manage "surface conditions" and you likely will not get an even pinset


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #26831645 - 07/18/20 11:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

How thick is too thick sometimes I see people growing in bags and those are like 5 or 6 inches thick what's the max u would suggest?


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