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AtmozFear
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#26814709 - 07/10/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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well i still keep the ratios...
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Inthepit
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AtmozFear]
#26814723 - 07/10/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok not trying to beat horse here. But "all my sub mixing " seems like your saying you mix all yer eggs in one basket. I could be misreading, but to me the deal with shoeboxes is a numbers game. Some make it and some don't.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#26814787 - 07/10/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So my second jar is contaminated too now... It looks like spider web.
I worked steril and put the 6 jars in a bigger box with a few air holes which I topped with tea filter, so nothing else goes in. But still there were fruit flies coming out of the contaminated jar.
Any suggestions? I don't know where those flies are coming from and how they get in the box. The other four look ok. Should I boil the jars for safety after 6 days?
The Growkit where I destroyed the cake and added rice powder and spores, still looks ok but the mycelium didn't developed further.



Looks more like truffles
Edited by PsycDiesel (07/10/20 10:37 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PsycDiesel]
#26814805 - 07/10/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Throw it out.
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AtmozFear
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#26814820 - 07/10/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Inthepit said: Ok not trying to beat horse here. But "all my sub mixing " seems like your saying you mix all yer eggs in one basket. I could be misreading, but to me the deal with shoeboxes is a numbers game. Some make it and some don't.
This isn't that hard... what don't you get?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#26814823 - 07/10/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inthepit said: Some make it and some don't.
What does that mean?
EDIT: oops didn't mean to bump 
Losing a jar here and there, fine... but I hardly ever lose a tub- I don't think any other experienced people do either.
Edited by AtmozFear (07/10/20 11:00 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AtmozFear]
#26814918 - 07/10/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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He means running shoeboxes isn't putting all your eggs in one basket. Instead of 6 quarts in one mono, you got 3 shoeboxes. If one of those 6 catch contamination during a g2g you're not fuckin yourself. You've never had a tub go green?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#26814936 - 07/10/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh well he sounded like he was talking about 'mixing my sub'- which is literally what he put in quotes. Yes, then he's right about that part. I understand that principle.
I've only ever had one tub go bad, and it was from mold. Believe me I'm not blowing my trumpet as I am still no expert- it's just if I put a jar into a sub, I am double-platinum sure it is not contaminated.
EDIT: I've lost a shitload of jars tho
Edited by AtmozFear (07/10/20 11:37 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AtmozFear]
#26814990 - 07/10/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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AtmozFear said: I don't think any other experienced people do either.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26815003 - 07/10/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ya that's a fuckin lolable statement for real. If you haven't lost a tub, you haven't grown nearly enough mushrooms. Even the most experienced tc out there has run into a bout of misfortune.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26815005 - 07/10/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AtmozFear]
#26815029 - 07/10/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I’ve lost dozens or even hundreds of grows for sure. It happens. When it does the trick is to start really getting the controls back in place. I think it was in 2014 I lost easily 30% of my grows before the first flush. Once I got it figured out though I literally batted 1000.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26815110 - 07/10/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm in that battle atm. My fuckin tubs might get one small cluster and nothing else. I'm going through the process of elimination trying to narrow down the problem. Changed coir, running new cultures, changed grow environment, taking extra care with sterile procedure. It's only a matter of time, but unfortunately it takes time, lol.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26815129 - 07/10/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Filters are usually my first variable to change when I fall into contam hell.
I've had SFDs seriously screw me before and I was totally unwilling to believe they were the cause of my issues. They aren't fool proof and i learned that lesson hard.
Now it's the first thing I check if I have contam issues.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26815142 - 07/10/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It sounds ghetto but I am a fan of double layered postal tyvek. Especially if your using metal lids. U can turn them into 1 piece lids by using 2 layers of tyvek
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26815143 - 07/10/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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My grain spawn appears to be fine. It runs well, recovers well, smells good. The problem arises when they hit coir. They run good for a bit and then slow right down leaving small portions uncolonized with surface myc exuding metabolites.
The previous brand of coir was from a hydroponic store and comes pre inoculated with trichoderma, apparently. So that was the first thing to change, along with the environment I was spawning and incubating in because it had ridiculous spore load and high temp issues.
I now have new coir and a new environment for spawning and running. I have 2 tubs going that look promising, if these fail then I know for sure my spawn is harboring some very sneaky shit. I have all new lids just made fresh a few months ago so those should be gtg.
Should it be my grain I have plates running to replace what I'm using. So now it's just a waiting game to see what's going to happen with these tubs
Edited by Stipe-n Cap (07/10/20 01:08 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26815149 - 07/10/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use two piece lids with 2 or 3 layers of tyvek too. Never had a problem.
I just ordered two dozen plastic one piece lids though. Sounds so much more convenient and easy for knocking up jars. I hate having to set down or juggle the lids and bands.
Plus a lot of my bands are getting too rusty, guess I’m not using enough vinegar.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26815163 - 07/10/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Filters are usually my first variable to change when I fall into contam hell.
I've had SFDs seriously screw me before and I was totally unwilling to believe they were the cause of my issues. They aren't fool proof and i learned that lesson hard.
Now it's the first thing I check if I have contam issues.
Do you check filters by just running a control jar that you set aside after it comes out of the PC? That's what I've always done but I've never checked to see if there's another way to check
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26815173 - 07/10/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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These thing's are great but there is a trick to using them I find. After a shake the GE hole tends to get wheat stuck in it, you have to look through the side of the jar up into the lid to see if there's light passing through the filter, if not give the filter a tap and the grain falls out.

Not likely to be a problem with smaller grains though.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26815205 - 07/10/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Filters are usually my first variable to change when I fall into contam hell.
I've had SFDs seriously screw me before and I was totally unwilling to believe they were the cause of my issues. They aren't fool proof and i learned that lesson hard.
Now it's the first thing I check if I have contam issues.
I solved my SFD problems by getting rid of the filter.
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