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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
#26779914 - 06/24/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wiping has nothing to do with the lethality of iso on cells.
Check out this video of different solvents applied to bacteria, no wiping involved.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26779947 - 06/24/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It seems like wiping is to physically remove the microscopic stuff along with killing some of it.
Like if I were getting a shot I’d much rather wipe all the skin cells and dirt off the injection spot rather than just spray my arm and have it all get pushed in with the needle even if it was dead.
With casing I don’t think I’ve ever cased late enough that it didn’t get grown into. All my PE I used a top layer at spawn and then a 5050 casing later on which also got colonized.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
#26779955 - 06/24/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Yes sir front to back or you get shit on the balls.
Changing daughters’ diapers, we call it “sweeping dirt OUT of the kitchen” in my house.
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26779962 - 06/24/20 05:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: It seems like wiping is to physically remove the microscopic stuff along with killing some of it.
If you're wiping sterile bags/jars you're actually introducing contamination rather than removing it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26779977 - 06/24/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the reply’s 🤟 I don’t think I’m gonna wipe my bags
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26779980 - 06/24/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said:
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A.k.a said: It seems like wiping is to physically remove the microscopic stuff along with killing some of it.
If you're wiping sterile bags/jars you're actually introducing contamination rather than removing it.
That’s the way I see it. Wiping a surface clears off whatever the iso killed, but also clears off the iso. So now you’ve got a clean surface with no protection.
Spraying a surface kills everything, and now your surface is protected from anything new landing on it.
Flow hood is a bit different scenario I suppose, but for a SAB I would much prefer to spray and leave it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26779986 - 06/24/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said:
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A.k.a said: It seems like wiping is to physically remove the microscopic stuff along with killing some of it.
If you're wiping sterile bags/jars you're actually introducing contamination rather than removing it.
I'm kinda with AKA on this. They don't squirt you with Alcohol when you get a shot. They wipe the arm hard and fast.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
#26780000 - 06/24/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I feel you bro But my thing with the bags I don’t wana wipe and push contams to the top that opens up (obviously the bags closed when I do this) because I fear when I open the bag to gtg contams will drop in
Or am I overthinking this
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
#26780007 - 06/24/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mechanical removal is part of its effectiveness
read here b ut there are many other studies available https://idsa.confex.com/idsa/2012/webprogram/Handout/id1338/POSTER121_944.pdf
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Isopropyl alcohol contact does not kill Bacillus cereus spores. Of the products evaluated in this project, the Site-Scrub* IPA Device was statistically significantly more effective at reducing spore contamination than the other disinfecting products tested. In order of the most to least effective spore decontamination the ranking was Site-Scrub* IPA Device, IPA pad and Curos* Port Protector. Thus, products with more scrubbing action, particularly the Site-Scrub* IPA Device, were more effective for removing bacterial spores. The effectiveness of the products for the disinfection of spore contaminated needle-free connectors appears to be the result of the scrubbing action by the device itself.
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Watch RR videos and see if he wipes. It has been so long I don't really remember. I think he does though.
It really doesn't matter if you spraying or wiping. We are just debating semantics. Iso doesn't sterilize it sanitizes so I can see George Carlin's point.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
#26780015 - 06/24/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do a wipe and then a spray
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
#26780018 - 06/24/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Watch RR videos and see if he wipes. It has been so long I don't really remember. I think he does though.
RR also said to launder your clothes, wear scrubs, put on a hair net and brush your teeth, all of which is unnecessary.
Wiping bags or jars that have sat on a shelf in the open environment is one thing but it is an entirely different thing when talking about bags or jars that have been removed from the PC, a sterile surface is sterile until you put a peice of paper towel or any other thing on it. It is about as necessary as putting disposable booties on while doing g2g.
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Sockadin said: George Carlin's point.
Charles Bukowski actually
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420]
#26780047 - 06/24/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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sandman420 said: Mechanical removal is part of its effectiveness
read here b ut there are many other studies available https://idsa.confex.com/idsa/2012/webprogram/Handout/id1338/POSTER121_944.pdf
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Isopropyl alcohol contact does not kill Bacillus cereus spores. Of the products evaluated in this project, the Site-Scrub* IPA Device was statistically significantly more effective at reducing spore contamination than the other disinfecting products tested. In order of the most to least effective spore decontamination the ranking was Site-Scrub* IPA Device, IPA pad and Curos* Port Protector. Thus, products with more scrubbing action, particularly the Site-Scrub* IPA Device, were more effective for removing bacterial spores. The effectiveness of the products for the disinfection of spore contaminated needle-free connectors appears to be the result of the scrubbing action by the device itself.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s a comparison study on the efficacy of three products which use iso as their cleaning agent vs a surface treated with a bacteria iso doesn’t kill.
The iso in that study is virtually inconsequential. Since it doesn’t kill the bacteria they’re testing against, it’s only acting as a lubricant for the scrubbing.
Can you link a different study that compares either no mechanical vs mechanical applications or different levels of mechanical application vs a bacteria iso kills? I’m really interested in this now!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26780067 - 06/24/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said:
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Sockadin said: Watch RR videos and see if he wipes. It has been so long I don't really remember. I think he does though.
RR also said to launder your clothes, wear scrubs, put on a hair net and brush your teeth, all of which is unnecessary. (All of these things here are super necessary to not be a dirty bastard. But I get your point.)
Wiping bags or jars that have sat on a shelf in the open environment is one thing but it is an entirely different thing when talking about bags or jars that have been removed from the PC, a sterile surface is sterile until you put a peice of paper towel or any other thing on it. It is about as necessary as putting disposable booties on while doing g2g.
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Sockadin said: George Carlin's point.
Charles Bukowski actually 
( I don't k ow who that is but he looks like Carlin's cousin.)
Again I can see the point of wiping sterilized bags as being the same as flaming a needle and wiping it with iso after sterilization. My point was more wiping vs spraying, I would wipe.
Probably better not to do either.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
#26780098 - 06/24/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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First time with bags , 👎🏼 A lot different than jars
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I will never run a strain called Jedi Mind Fuck. I don't give a shit about star wars and if its cube unlike PE/APE/Melmac than it don't mean shit
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I heard of it on here. But not a popular cube marketing variety in North America.
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Culliganman360 said: First time with bags , 👎🏼 A lot different than jars
I couldn’t be happier with my first foray into bags. Roughly 1/2 quart spawn into 5 quarts of oats, and now 50% colonization after 5 days:
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CocaineBuffet said: I will never run a strain called Jedi Mind Fuck. I don't give a shit about star wars and if its cube unlike PE/APE/Melmac than it don't mean shit
I do love my Star Wars but yeah, Jedi Mind Fuck is definitely a full step inside the "made-up dealer names for the same strain of weed" arena. More like Jedi Mind Fuck Off
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phrontist]
#26780258 - 06/24/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Congrats bro I hope my bags look like yours in 5 days lol I just don’t have high hopes I had to open a couple bags with my thumb . Tried to open em all like some chips but kinda sideways . Idk hard to explain I just feel like my sterile game wasent on point
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