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Camera93
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
#26779180 - 06/24/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I spawned a handful of monotubs on 6/6 with the intention of using a jiffy casing layer after 100%
I had a tub ahead of the others, and my jiffy casing molded after a flush (did not pasteurize, used straight from bag) worth noting that my casing layer was like 2" think in some spots...really did not do a good job.
that said, I'm not drawing any conclusions from that process, but what it did was scare me off of using it on the 5 monos I had set up. I didn't top layer the tubs with coir like I normally would have and I feel like this may have had a negative effect on the outcome, most of the tubs flushed around the edges and really yielded poorly from previous results with this clone.
Surface conditions on 6/11
My long winded question is just asking for input on the idea of putting a top layer of coir over the substrate now, after it has already flushed once?Larger overview of my fruiting area :  Tubs are MP tape, with 2 layers on long side *I used to see people say the didn't take pics ect.. when i had pics of every single time I moved a jar to new shelf..well today i get it lol and unfortunately I did not take pics of the flush. What I assumed were worthless pics cause they werent amazing canopy flushes, have now bit me in the ass as they may have given better insight to what I am asking for help on..
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Nearly any commercial or academia agar recipe usually says 15 minutes @ 15psi
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93] 1
#26779192 - 06/24/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Simplest answer is yes. You can top layer with coir but increase FAE and try to get a nice knot going before you do or it will more than likely just colonize the coir.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
#26779193 - 06/24/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caramelization temps of malt are in the 300f+ range so it's pretty damn unlikely that you will actually caramelize at 15psi (250f) for 30 minutes.
You will likely get some hot break twith malt, which I think lots of people mistake for caramelization
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26779201 - 06/24/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I get what your saying but what is the point if 15 PSI for 15 minuets is all that is required to get to sterilized agar. Less PSI = more time?
I guess let me put it another way, how long should he sterilize his agar in an instapot?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
#26779214 - 06/24/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok boys for Penis Envy:
Spawn and wait until 100% colonization and then case?
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Spawn and case all at once?
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Quote:
CocaineBuffet said: Ok boys for Penis Envy:
Spawn and wait until 100% colonization and then case?
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Spawn and case all at once?
Both work. I prefer a late casing. I don't know which works better for PE but I just prefer late.
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I'm a late casing fan.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
#26779273 - 06/24/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah me too. Especially since I usually let my PE consolidate 3-5 days after it hits 100. Usually I end up casing around 80-90% then fruiting like a week later.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26779295 - 06/24/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Late casing for the win
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#26779335 - 06/24/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks boys and grills! Late casing is the strat
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Crackatoa
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With some patching if need be. Who's pasturizing their casing and who's not???
Edited by Crackatoa (06/24/20 12:51 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#26779356 - 06/24/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Straight from the bag for me
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My first tubs I did no casing. Afterwards I came to understand why it’s not a good idea to have exposed grains, so I did a layer of coir on top of the coir/spawn mix when I spawned my current tub.
Now y’all have me wondering what I’m failing to understand that makes it better to wait and case after colonization.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phrontist]
#26779388 - 06/24/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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What you did was a top layer, a top layer and a casing are different. Both help create a micro climate but a casing doesn't colonize like coir.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#26779398 - 06/24/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Huh I thought they were the same ... Sometimes I get lazy and put my top coat on +soak 2-3 days after spawning . Don’t see much of a difference cept for a day apart with pinning
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#26779412 - 06/24/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was doing straight out the bag also idk last time I did 6 tubs. 3 had casing straight out the bag and 3 had no casing. The 3 with casing all went green now I'm kind of weary.
I'm having temp problems yesterday I tossed 2 monos and a shoebox. When I opened them up to toss I noticed they smelled hot and musty. Then while handling I noticed they were very warm almost hot. My room is reaching like 83 during the day but tubs are probably around 86-87. I can't keep battling these temps it's only getting hotter by the day. May be time for me to throw in the towel for the summer guys.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26779419 - 06/24/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Top layer is usually the same as substrate applied at spawning. Casing is usually peat/ verm/ sand pH balanced applied after colonization usually for just PE and pans. Only straight PE for me. A casing never helped with APE or any other PE variants. I top layer everything but PE and Natalensis.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26779422 - 06/24/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
gizmo1 said:
Quote:
CocaineBuffet said: Ok boys for Penis Envy:
Spawn and wait until 100% colonization and then case?
or
Spawn and case all at once?
Both work. I prefer a late casing. I don't know which works better for PE but I just prefer late.
I usually run PE with a pseudo casing/toplayer at spawning and then case over that after the sub is co0lonized or close to
with PE if its a true casing and not a top layer its better to wait until its 80-100% colonized or the myc will devour the casing during colonization and youll have to re-case anyways
definitely pasteurize that sheeit
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#26779482 - 06/24/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Crackatoa said: Top layer is usually the same as substrate applied at spawning. Casing is usually peat/ verm/ sand pH balanced applied after colonization usually for just PE and pans. Only straight PE for me. A casing never helped with APE or any other PE variants. I top layer everything but PE and Natalensis.
Ah okay. This makes a lot of sense and also puts me at ease. Thanks.
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