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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: poisoned]
    #26692790 - 05/24/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Your coir doesn't even seem that dry to me. Everything seems to work in that tub, so maybe it's too dry for you, not for your shrooms?




I can't seem to get a good photo, but I feel a desire by the mycelia to be more active in the moist cracks and pools where the coir is wetter. I still have mad sidepinning. (no liner, pressed coir)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: poisoned]
    #26692793 - 05/24/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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This is what I have been saying for a while. If you have warm moisture air in your tub at the surface and dry cool air outside the tub. The natural air currents will wick that moisture out of the tub through convection because of the heat build up in the tub. Moisture wicks out cool dry air moves in to replace it.

RH outside the tub is just as important and RH inside. I have gotten alot of flack for that idea.




That's why you're supposed to tune your tubs. The idea is that they can work in all conditions, but you have to tune them to some degree.




And I can't tune my tubs any more closed. snapped shut lid is all I got.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
    #26692820 - 05/24/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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This is what I have been saying for a while. If you have warm moisture air in your tub at the surface and dry cool air outside the tub. The natural air currents will wick that moisture out of the tub through convection because of the heat build up in the tub. Moisture wicks out cool dry air moves in to replace it.

RH outside the tub is just as important and RH inside. I have gotten alot of flack for that idea.



Idk why you caught flack for that. That's the principal that 6 hole mono design works on right? Thought it was pretty much common knowledge.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
    #26692822 - 05/24/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ha, I even bring it up with trepidation... the long ass threads haunt me from the past.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #26692827 - 05/24/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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And I can't tune my tubs any more closed. snapped shut lid is all I got.




IIRC, A.k.a is growing in like 10% humidity.

You can still tune your tubs wetter next time.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: poisoned] * 1
    #26692838 - 05/24/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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And I can't tune my tubs any more closed. snapped shut lid is all I got.




IIRC, A.k.a is growing in like 10% humidity.

You can still tune your tubs wetter next time.



Man AKA is just the shit at growing. He came in here like a boss as a noob posting bad ass PE pinsets from flipped subs n shit. I've seen old hands that can't grow as good as that cat. No dick riding I just recognize natural talent when I see it. Something I don't really have but have seem success through lots of hard work. Probably still can't grow like him though lmao.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
    #26692848 - 05/24/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Justsayin he's doing it in a fucking desert and doesn't need any special HC design.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: poisoned]
    #26692852 - 05/24/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yea I hear ya bro.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: poisoned]
    #26692858 - 05/24/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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And I can't tune my tubs any more closed. snapped shut lid is all I got.




IIRC, A.k.a is growing in like 10% humidity.

You can still tune your tubs wetter next time.




Meaning I can hydrate my coir wetter at the beginning?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #26692873 - 05/24/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Did you make those based off the SFF shoe box thread? I can’t remember the girls name that posted it but it seems legit. The methodology makes sense. I think I remember reading where you said a hard squeeze got you no water, but you still want just a little drop even with that drier mix. No water coming out could be 5% below what you should have or 20% or more since it’s no water and you can’t tell.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #26692884 - 05/24/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Not sure what kind of tub you're using, but I guess you could do it like ShaperDreaming does his shoeboxes.

Basically, make your substrate under field capacity and then mist the top layer to adjust for that.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26692887 - 05/24/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Did you make those based off the SFF shoe box thread? I can’t remember the girls name that posted it but it seems legit. The methodology makes sense. I think I remember reading where you said a hard squeeze got you no water, but you still want just a little drop even with that drier mix. No water coming out could be 5% below what you should have or 20% or more since it’s no water and you can’t tell.




Nah... I'm just following Caps logic that things can be pretty dry. I'm going at 2.75q to 650g coir only. And misting another 2/3 cups on top of my thin pseudo casing of coir. Squeeze drops start coming at around 3-3.25q water for my coir.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: poisoned]
    #26692892 - 05/24/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Not sure what kind of tub you're using, but I guess you could do it like ShaperDreaming does his shoeboxes.

Basically, make your substrate under field capacity and then mist the top layer to adjust for that.




yeah, I remember reading that. It gave me the green light to try it with my full sized tubs.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #26692894 - 05/24/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm just trying that out and so far it seems like having thicker top layer for that method works better. I did some shoeboxes where I barely covered the grain and then some with 1/2quart of top layer and those seem to be producing more even pinsets.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #26692901 - 05/24/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Got ya, what I was talking about is the same thing poison posted. Drier sub with heavy misting on the top layer to provide better surface conditions


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Roger Clemency] * 1
    #26692905 - 05/24/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That's the way I do it but more or less accidentally. I hydrate ashitload of coir then leave it sitting around and it dries out over time so I mist after spawning more or less guessing at field cap and usually ending up on the drier side. No problems with pinset so far but some problem with pin mold on coir from setting around too long. Only after switching back to Eco earth though.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26692918 - 05/24/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I have noticed the wetter I make my sub the more likely it is to fully colonize and create longer pin times. The drier I make them the more likely that they are to produce knots on the surface with in 5-7 days and still have colonized coir. We are not colonizing coir for nutrition anyway so whats the point of full colonization. I do spray the dog shit out of my subs once I see knots. Also spraying pins doesn't cause aborts. In just leaving that here.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: poisoned]
    #26693070 - 05/24/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Justsayin he's doing it in a fucking desert and doesn't need any special HC design.



HC design is based on unmodified tubs so it's the same principle and that's why it works so well in extremely dry conditions :super:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
    #26693213 - 05/24/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Justsayin he's doing it in a fucking desert and doesn't need any special HC design.



HC design is based on unmodified tubs so it's the same principle and that's why it works so well in extremely dry conditions :super:




My rh is always 19-20%.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26693263 - 05/24/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That's my outside RH during winter time when it's not raining, and the inside RH is probably a lot lower that's why I'm coughing from a dry throat when I'm heating the place up with electric heaters :crazy2: and still I'm running unmodified tubs and HC's with zero humidity issues.


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