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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26680954 - 05/19/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Crack I believe if you tell em rye berries they should know whats up.

I got these:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RHXKTO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

and they worked out great as a small amount to test. That said I've switched to oat feed grain from the local feed store. worked out the same price for a 50lb bag...

They had rye for much cheaper too but it was closer to $40/50lb bag.

I believe you want the hull if they have any with hull on, you just don't want anything rolled/cracked/cut. Whole grains are where it seems to be at.

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I've got my greenhouse out back set up with temp and humidity control. Adding in a muffin fan on a timer for FEA.

My grain is just about ready but I'm going back and forth on weather I want fruit in the jar with coir over the top or put em all to 6qt tubs.

In any case, how would you guys recommend treating them in the greenhouse?

If I can keep the temp at 75 F and the humidity up around 95%RH should I just case em and stick em in there uncovered or is there more to it?

Gettn' stoked.

waiting for my straw bags to start popping out blue oysters :evil:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: RyeHumor]
    #26680998 - 05/19/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I've used oats, millet, and WBS. I called and they had no rye berry and millet for like a dollar a pound. Went to mall Mart and got more WBS. Can't beat it, wife just hates the smell so much.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: RyeHumor]
    #26681003 - 05/19/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hello all, first time posting on here. I've grown a couple times at a very basic level, and have had very mixed results. As such I'm attempting to step up my game.

I've started using a PC recently. The max PSI it will set to is 12PSI. (It's digital, so I don't think I can use the nickle trick I've read about).

I'm also at very high altitude, around 7000 feet. I've heard that you need to cook longer at higher altitudes.

If I'm cooking at 12PSI and only cook 3 or 4 pint jars at a time, how much time should I look at cooking them in a PC? Does this time vary for grain vs agar? Should I just go make a thread with these questions?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26681011 - 05/19/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It does smell gross.

Doing one at a time in the instant pot never smelled but the first time I popped open the presto with 10 jars it made me gag.

I still hate getting the water on my hands when I take the jars out.




At 12 psi you’ll need to at least double the time I think, there’s a chart for it.

Agar needs way less time than grain.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26681022 - 05/19/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I know right, I think oats smell pretty good, at least when I'm hungry anyway.
I looked for that dang chart on PC pressure and temp and all that but couldn't find it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26681023 - 05/19/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Crackatoa said:
Yeah, I've used oats, millet, and WBS. I called and they had no rye berry and millet for like a dollar a pound. Went to mall Mart and got more WBS. Can't beat it, wife just hates the smell so much.




Oats bother her too?

I guess not everyone appreciates the smell of the oats when I cook em off but I temper it by cooking food for everyone at the same time since all I'm doing is watching a PC for 1.5hrs.

you don't have a feed store around? Seems to me that their oat prices tend to be closer to $0.50-$0.75/lb.

If it smells better... happy wife and all that :grin:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dracultivation]
    #26681048 - 05/19/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Looking at


this article which uses a digital Instapot, you would increase time by 25%.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit] * 1
    #26681060 - 05/19/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I love the smell of pressure cooked wheat. Even the first week or so after unloading a ton of bags on my shelves the whole room smells like that.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dracultivation]
    #26681073 - 05/19/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Dracultivation said:
Hello all, first time posting on here. I've grown a couple times at a very basic level, and have had very mixed results. As such I'm attempting to step up my game.

I've started using a PC recently. The max PSI it will set to is 12PSI. (It's digital, so I don't think I can use the nickle trick I've read about).

I'm also at very high altitude, around 7000 feet. I've heard that you need to cook longer at higher altitudes.

If I'm cooking at 12PSI and only cook 3 or 4 pint jars at a time, how much time should I look at cooking them in a PC? Does this time vary for grain vs agar? Should I just go make a thread with these questions?

~
Thanks.




" A sterilization time of at least 150 mins was required for the Instant Pot to inactivate the spores (Fig 2), which appeared similar in color and opacity to a spore ampoule sterilized in an autoclave and the negative control"

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0208769

This was for a strain of spore that is particularly heat resistant so this was a pretty decent test. Feel free to read more, its a decent paper.

When we read the pressure gauge on the cooker it's always going to be a relative measurement to your environment. So in absolute pressure I think we aim to sterilize most things at ~250F

This corresponds with ~2 atm absolute pressure, so you can figure out what temp you're actually cooking with by looking up the temperature of saturated steam at whatever absolute pressure you have by adding 12psi to whatever your ambient pressure is at 7k ft elevation.

Best thing to do though really is just try running some no pour plates and running them for various run times to see where sterilization occurs for you.

Might not be as reliable as higher temps but I expect you can get away with it while you keep an eye out for a good deal on a higher pressure cooker.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: RyeHumor]
    #26681126 - 05/19/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey guys,

I'm following bod's tek for my grow-- is it recommended to do agar to grain or agar to grain for a jar or two then grain to grain from there?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ArmchairCalvinist]
    #26681131 - 05/19/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yes


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ArmchairCalvinist]
    #26681135 - 05/19/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Both will work just fine,

I think you might get some faster colonization from going g2g.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: RyeHumor]
    #26681188 - 05/19/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Here are few of my tubs.

Lpeu2, pe6 cl/cl, melmak


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26681202 - 05/19/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That’s a super nice Melmak pinset. Looks like you got the regular cube kind.

Those clones are crazy looking, especially the two on the left middle of the second one.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26681220 - 05/19/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

My Tubs are all kind of stalling like the attached pictures. Grain prep is going great. But, after colonizing to a decent amount and replacing duct tape over mono tub holes with micropore tape after a couple weeks, they don't seem to progress.

I am pretty sure my CV mix is too wet, although I followed the 5050 tek pretty precisely.

I plan to follow Bod's Coir Tek without verm for my next run, paying a lot of attention to moisture content in the substrate...

but, wtf is going on with these tubs. This is day 28. They were put in fruiting conditions on day 11.





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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: silverp]
    #26681233 - 05/19/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I was pretty happy with this formula:
This time, 5/14, for more coir, 650g x 1.864 mL/g = 1211.6 mL water.
1) Take (550g of coir for 5 jars) coir, break it up
2) Boil a pot of water and put into a cooler for 10 min to pre-heat the cooler
3) Boil 1211.6+ mL
4) Dump out the hot cooler water
5) Add the coir to the cooler, then pour water over it. Looks pretty dry?
6) Close lid, wait 60 min (09:20)
7) After an hour stir up the coir to try make sure you don't get dry spots. Ok some dry clumps, not too dry~.
8) Wait until cool (I just wait overnight)
1:1 myc to coir jars and a thin layer on top from the 5th jar, tamp the edges good

But different brands of coir vary...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: silverp] * 1
    #26681240 - 05/19/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

silverp said:
My Tubs are all kind of stalling like the attached pictures. Grain prep is going great. But, after colonizing to a decent amount and replacing duct tape over mono tub holes with micropore tape after a couple weeks, they don't seem to progress.

I am pretty sure my CV mix is too wet, although I followed the 5050 tek pretty precisely.

I plan to follow Bod's Coir Tek without verm for my next run, paying a lot of attention to moisture content in the substrate...

but, wtf is going on with these tubs. This is day 28. They were put in fruiting conditions on day 11.









They look really good but like they haven’t been in fruiting at all. Weird.

I guess more air is really all you can do.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: RyeHumor]
    #26681243 - 05/19/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Both will work just fine,

I think you might get some faster colonization from going g2g.




Thanks!

Other questions:

1. How long do un-inoculated grain jars last?
2. At what point in growth size should I throw a plate or two to grain jar(s) to start on a grain-to-grain grow?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
    #26681250 - 05/19/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah - the above is 4L H2O, 650g coir, 2L verm. Im going to ditch vermiculite and try 1L H2O to 200g Coir (Bod's Tek)... or even less H2O, like somewhere around 1L H2O to 240g Coir...

Are you using 1.2L H2O to 650g Coir? That is way less than Bod's tek....


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26681258 - 05/19/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I hate failing! ;-) .... I'll try more air and see if something magical happens.

Any thoughts on the possibility "substrate too wet" could cause this stalling behavior?


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