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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Elusively]
    #26672426 - 05/15/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Where they cracker dry so that they crack from even gentle touch. If they bend at all they're not completely dry. Might be part of your problem as it's also hard to keep then that dry.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psyche delics] * 1
    #26672442 - 05/15/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So my little 7.5" diameter electric burner handled a fully loaded AA 941. :stoned:

Took like 2 full hours to reach pressure though, no joke. My 4AM night turned into a 7AM night pretty fast. 1PM here now. Just vaping some weed and gonna unload these bags after, going to make some agar slurry up for inoculation

I will order a bayou classic propane burner ASAP but, if planned in advance I should be able to use this for the time being. The PC cycle is just really fucking long


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #26672468 - 05/15/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I got my burner from an online restaurant store for around the same price as a bayou burner. Got it cause I heard commercial retailers sell superior goods compared to Wally World. Only had it for a couple months but it’s held up well so far. The only gripe I have is that when adjusting the heat you have to use minuscule movements because a small difference in flame goes a long way. I’ve gotten used to it though and I can guesstimate how much flame there needs to be pretty well only having to adjust it every 20 minutes or so.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yeetusdeetus] * 1
    #26672507 - 05/15/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey everyone,

First time grower-attempter -- I think I finally got something to grow on my agar! (from syringe) Any ideas as to why some of the growth is nearly clear? Two of the plates are pretty white so I used one to transfer to more plates earlier this week:














Plate I used for new transfers:



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ArmchairCalvinist]
    #26672564 - 05/15/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Pretty sure I’ve confirmed spawn jars that are too hot grow just as slow as too cold.

I have a bunch that were at like 10-14 days and only half done and it was driving me nuts.

Then I realized the room was getting into the high 80s for probably 8-10 hours each day.


So I packed them all into boxes and moved them into a room that stays 70-75. First couple days was the same but after that they sped up significantly. Like at lease double.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ArmchairCalvinist]
    #26672571 - 05/15/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Bod said somewhere that clear growth happens on germ plates and a couple transfers after for whatever reason. Been having some clear growth in my transfers lately, think it’s due to my grainwater being too diluted. I’d just look for uniform growth around the transfer if I were you and look at lots of other peoples pics to see what different types of contamination can look like. I notice you’re using the whole strip of parafilm, I used to do that too lol. What I do now is cut it like normal then fold it in half hotdog style and keep the sterile side towards the plate when wrapping. It stretches a lot easier and you won’t have to worry about the film snapping while you’re trying to wrap it and knocking your sab abound. I only need two squares wrapping 100mm plates like this and I spend a lot less time domestically abusing my sab. I’d read bods agar tek and C10’s if you haven’t already.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26672588 - 05/15/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I thought that was always the consensus on heat.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Elusively]
    #26672787 - 05/15/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I’ve been desperately trying to avoid posting this question because I know there is TON of information on this forum and others.  I’ve been reading everything I can to find the best course of action, but it still seems unclear, so here goes:

I just finished my first bulk grow using all the “easy AF” teks: MS Maz —> agar —> grain —> unmodified tubs (coir).  Yields were great, potency was VERY weak (ranging from a good body buzz, improved mood, uptick in energy, very mild visuals off 5g dry to almost no noticeable affects from 2.5g or somewhere in the middle). 

One thing that’s real clear is that using MS is crapshoot, that much I’m sure of—genetics, right?  Ok, I’m good with that, so is my next move to isolate and test until I find a strain I like? Or do I just keep doing MS grows until I get a strain with potency I like and clone it?  Would agar transfers help here?  If so, how many and is it still a roll of the dice?

Here’s the real noob question, would buying another syringe be a reasonable solution?  I’m not trying to just take the easy way out, I enjoy the hobby, not just for the tripping either.  I’ve learned quite a bit from this bulk grow than when I did the PF tek a few years ago thanks to this site.

I know this is a lot of questions and I’m sure the information is out there somewhere, so thanks for your patience.  I appreciate any help, even if it’s just a link or nudge in the right direction.

*hat tip*

Oh yea, any recommendations on what to do with a few oz of mild shroomies?  I’m thinking an extraction/tincture is the move here.




Yeah, MS grows are not consistent at all. Its random in potency. I recommend growing a mutant strain such as KSSS, PE, APE, Rusty Whyte or African Transkei. That way, u can grow MS but have a higher chance of getting potent shrooms.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fly Wizard]
    #26672791 - 05/15/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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hi all, a few years since i did this the last time.

I am wondering, when the the BRF cakes are full with mycelum, they are placed in a well aired transparent box with holes and on top of moist perlite. The last time I used small sheets of alu foil beneath the cakes themselves to minimize contam and downwards growth. 

If I remember correctly, the perlite should be wet to the touch. But rinsed of water. And one should spray the cakes a couple of times a day, and change the air by using the lid of the box.

Am I missing something here or is that about it?




If you built a proper SGFC, u dont need to fan. Its unnecessary. But yeah, all that is correct. And if u wanna upgrade from tin foil "plates", get some petri dishes or wide mouth plastic jar lids. Dont forget the 5000-6500K CFL light bulb and have it on for 8-12 hours a day.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26672793 - 05/15/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Don't need the lamp if you're growing in your living area.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26672909 - 05/15/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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So I think I’ve just discovered that a lot more of my spawn has been bacterial than I thought.

I g2g PE and toc yesterday. The toc was from the last of an lc that’s produced crazy clusters so I wanted to continue the culture by putting a few grains on a plate.

I didn’t pay attention and grabbed PE grains first so I ended up with grain plates for both.

This morning I checked and both sets are fuzzing up but the toc plate has a lot of bacteria too.

PE is on the left toc is on the right. Middle is ufo.



Toc closer


I always thought this type of thinner myc where you can see the grains clearly was from rhizo but now I’m not sure. It could just be that I happened to dump bacteria from the mouth of the jar when I poured some grain on the plate.  But I did the same with the PE and it’s clean.




Duuuude... I feel the same way. This is what pisses me off the most... Lore has it that you can see things on the petri dishes, and you can smell things when you spawn. I completely disagree. I am finally growing clean, but my past plates looked great and my grains smelled great. Bacteria is way more common than we think. Until I'm a insanely good grower... I just assume my shit is bad these days, unless proven otherwise.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: poisoned]
    #26672918 - 05/15/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Don't need the lamp if you're growing in your living area.




Damn, you're totally right! I forgot about that. Light bulb is needed only if there is no windows nearby.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26672932 - 05/15/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Can someone explain what is happening at the end of consolidation. People wait a few days then spawn their grains. I'm having a hard time guessing when to spawn, because I am often waiting for some dry kernels to colonize on the top surface.... What goes on when you wait too long?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro] * 1
    #26672940 - 05/15/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think there's any issues with that if it's just a few days. For the top grains, I just scrape them out with a spoon if they're dry and slow to colonize. You're losing like 20 grains, so who cares.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: poisoned] * 1
    #26672950 - 05/15/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There’s not really any reason to let grain consolidate, that’s for brf cakes.

Don’t worry about the top grains, I get that a lot I think it’s from making my ge hole too big and it dries them out.


Anyway filthyknees did a grow using only the uncolonized grain from the top of a bunch of spawn bags and it grew normally.

So it seems like they’re colonized but you just can’t see it.

I used dump them out sometimes when I spawned if the jar was pretty full, other times left them in and never noticed a difference.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #26672951 - 05/15/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It can dry out before your jar finishes (stalling). If it doesnt colonize all the way, I would remove some grain from the jar with a clean spoon in a SAB.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26672965 - 05/15/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You don't need to do that in a SAB. You'll be spawning that jar open air in a few minutes anyways.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: poisoned]
    #26672995 - 05/15/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So I gotta make some more agar cause I didn’t follow directions and I’m pretty sure the nutes are way to low for healthy growth. The myc is the same color as the agar, completely transparent. The donor plate was clean rhizo as far as I know but it was 2% mea. I can see the filaments against a light and the transparent transfers have uniform growth, would it be worth putting this clear myc to oats or should I just wait and do some transfers to some 2% mea then oats once the culture thickens up?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: poisoned]
    #26673000 - 05/15/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I have a pretty good procedure of inverting my bag and lightly scraping the surface...

Cool.. then I'll spawn ASAP. What is bad about going too long before spawning?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro] * 1
    #26673097 - 05/15/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I don’t think there’s anything bad about letting spawn sit. I know some people were thinking it made the mushrooms more potent but idk about that.

Low nute is fine for agar, it makes it grow faster. Soft plates is where I got weirdness happening.


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