|
Inthepit
Aum Mani Padme Hum



Registered: 08/20/19
Posts: 1,742
Loc: Puerto Rico
Last seen: 14 days, 1 hour
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26638680 - 04/30/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
gizmo1 said: used maybe 25mL (concentrated)grain soak water with 475mL water. I'll tell you right now it's not going to be a big difference lmao.
Gizmo what do mean by "concentrated " grain water? Ha ha, you have me thinking I should dial back the percentage. But my Oat broth is directly from the Oat prep. Maybe yer concentrating it for storage to add later?
Edited by Inthepit (04/30/20 10:20 AM)
|
gizmo1



Registered: 06/15/11
Posts: 3,831
Loc: FREEDOM
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#26638724 - 04/30/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Inthepit said:
Quote:
gizmo1 said: used maybe 25mL (concentrated)grain soak water with 475mL water. I'll tell you right now it's not going to be a big difference lmao.
Gizmo what do mean by "concentrated " grain water? Ha ha, you have me thinking I should dial back the percentage. But my Oat broth is directly from the Oat prep. Maybe yer concentrating it for storage to add later?
Lmao. Funny you should ask. I had gallon ziplock bags full of grain water soak cubes taking up my entire freezer. Also the main complaint I see about using grain soak water is that it's not uniform or replicatable because concentration varies wildly. So I took all the cubes I had and I dissolved them in a big ass bucket with some fresh soak water. Then I took a giant pot and reduced the liquid. I put it back into cube trays and froze it. Now I still have a lifetime supply but it takes up alot less space and should hypothetically all be the same potency. These steps are completely unnecessary just some weird shit that I do. I don't use alot of the stuff my go to is still lme but I like to throw a cube in each batch of agar I do. Seems like mycelium is a little happier on it. Of course without running isolates and making it a big ordeal there's no way to really tell how much of a difference it makes. Just makes me feel better. But no you are doing it correct the concentrated part is just something I do personally. Most people just use the water from grain prep and dilute it until it's at the desired strength.
-------------------- Trade List 🖕🖕🖕 6 hole Mini Monos
|
Inthepit
Aum Mani Padme Hum



Registered: 08/20/19
Posts: 1,742
Loc: Puerto Rico
Last seen: 14 days, 1 hour
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26638740 - 04/30/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Yes I totally agree, it's pretty much a crap shoot for consistency. Yer method sounds like you're getting some decent consistency there.
|
A.k.a
Stranger



Registered: 10/27/19
Posts: 16,782
Loc: Gaming the system
Last seen: 4 hours, 5 minutes
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26638747 - 04/30/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
So I’ve read tons of stuff about spore load not mattering if you’ve got clean spawn, but I’m starting to wonder now.
The last couple months the rate of contam after the first flush has gotten out of control. And not jsut trich but aspergillus or whatever the other less aggressive green mold is.
I’m kinda thinking it’s possible that mold is hitching a ride on my verm too. I’ve started noticing that all of my tubs that go forever without contamination are ones that I didn’t put verm in.
It started with my PE clones a couple months ago but they put out monster first flushes so i wasn’t really expecting much more from them, but recently it’s been every thing. Both my toc clones have spots of non trich green now. All my jars with sfd went green which is the first time ever I had mold in a jar. Even my plates were having more green pop up.
Super annoying, guess it’s time to do a serious cleaning.
--------------------
LAGM2020     
|
gizmo1



Registered: 06/15/11
Posts: 3,831
Loc: FREEDOM
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#26638758 - 04/30/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Inthepit said: Yes I totally agree, it's pretty much a crap shoot for consistency. Yer method sounds like you're getting some decent consistency there.
To be honest it was mostly a waste of time. I don't think it made enough difference to justify the extra steps. Atleast not the way I use it.
-------------------- Trade List 🖕🖕🖕 6 hole Mini Monos
|
sh4d0ws
LSx


Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 12,086
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26638774 - 04/30/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
My TOC monotub has a pin after less than 10 full days.
Definitely the quickest variety I have ever worked with. Some of the shoeboxes I made up with bacterial spawn took about 20 days to pin still. But this monotub...amazing. Going to have some clones to work with soon. Running TOC as the mainstay in a rotation seems perfect...
|
sh4d0ws
LSx


Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 12,086
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26638781 - 04/30/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
A.k.a said: So I’ve read tons of stuff about spore load not mattering if you’ve got clean spawn, but I’m starting to wonder now.
The last couple months the rate of contam after the first flush has gotten out of control. And not jsut trich but aspergillus or whatever the other less aggressive green mold is.
I’m kinda thinking it’s possible that mold is hitching a ride on my verm too. I’ve started noticing that all of my tubs that go forever without contamination are ones that I didn’t put verm in.
It started with my PE clones a couple months ago but they put out monster first flushes so i wasn’t really expecting much more from them, but recently it’s been every thing. Both my toc clones have spots of non trich green now. All my jars with sfd went green which is the first time ever I had mold in a jar. Even my plates were having more green pop up.
Super annoying, guess it’s time to do a serious cleaning.
I dunno. It's possible I guess, but in my experience you can have a completely fucked tub beside a tub with clean spawn and it won't cause any issues
FWIW, and I wouldn't exactly recommend this to people but... I spawn all my shit in the same room as my laboratory. My flowhood is in here. Also, a desktop computer that is on 24/7 pushing air around. I've left contaminated tubs in here until they turned full green, due to laziness. I also eat food in here and leave dirty dishes around. Found some moldy old coffee cups and tea mugs the other week
I open fucked up jars in my kitchen to dispose of them, I don't even bother going outside anymore. Completely fucked jars.
Everything is going splendidly, haven't had contamination issues in a few months besides the odd fuck up here or there
Eh maybe you're onto something with the verm but I dunno. I eliminated verm from the routine, and love it.
|
sh4d0ws
LSx


Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 12,086
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26638784 - 04/30/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Do a real good thorough check of your lids too. I can't remember who posted it recently but someone ditched SFDs and went back to polyfill because they were consistently having issues.
I noticed some of my lids were an issue last month. The SFD wasn't actually fully attached. I noticed about 5 jars in a batch of 50 stall. I really think the SFD had some little void in between the silicone and the lid, or maybe the SFD itself was compromised after years of use.
Also I have been cleaning up cultures in an SAB instead of in front of my flow hood for a few months too. I use the flow hood to put clean cultures to grain and to inoculate bags but everything else I've been using the SAB...it's more peaceful in a way, plus I can watch TV and shit while I do work
|
dmppb
On course

Registered: 11/11/11
Posts: 1,043
Loc: universe
Last seen: 2 months, 17 days
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26638794 - 04/30/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
hey fam ,
so ; i just lost like 7 tubs to trich and several other contams , as i ran out of space i had to stack them on top of each other , also wrongly decided to try and colonize them with no fae at all ( taped over holes ) cause i was trying an experiment , so the weight of all the tubs sealed even more the inside and when i realized it , it was 93 f inside and had been for fucking 5 days , so stagnant and hot in there they all went to shit , i'm blaming conditions , what do you think ?
anyway , bought more shelfs and getting over it , the ones colonizing on the shelf are all right
-------------------- ...and when you loose control ; you'll reap the harvest you have sown.
|
A.k.a
Stranger



Registered: 10/27/19
Posts: 16,782
Loc: Gaming the system
Last seen: 4 hours, 5 minutes
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26638850 - 04/30/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I do the same stuff, everything’s in one room, jars tubs SAB.
I went right back to tyvek after the sfd batch and everything seems good now.
Toc is definitely quick, my last two clones were 14 and 15 days spawn to harvest.
--------------------
LAGM2020     
|
c10h12n2o
serial dilutor



Registered: 01/21/15
Posts: 3,200
Loc: the abyss
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26638951 - 04/30/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I found a really encouraging amazon culture the other day. Stupid potent. Even after tripping the day before, in combination w some fresh truffles it totally floored me more than any shrooms ive ever had, visuals were insane , which doesnt usually happen for me.
I took pictures of my ceiling and walked around my house doing the Dragon Ball Z fusion dance with my dogs and random hpusehold objects. Most notably my new cabelas dehydrator, which im in love with
Fu....sion...HA!!
--------------------
  C10's Agar Guide + Tips and Tricks | c10's Flow Hood Build Guide "Partial knowledge is more triumphant than complete knowledge; it takes things to be simpler than they are, and so makes its theory more popular and convincing." "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies" ― Friedrich Nietzsche
|
Fungi edimus
Stranger
Registered: 04/30/20
Posts: 8
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26638984 - 04/30/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
A.k.a said:
Quote:
Fungi edimus said: Many thanks for your constructive replies. I will keep an HC in mind, okay. I thought about going bulk first too, but isn't that way too much for my needs? The plan was to just use 10 cakes, so one spore syringe - I thought that would be sufficient with just the PF tek.
Ten cakes is like two shoeboxes worth of spawn, id personally rather do that but I’m not into cakes.
Okay, I am really sorry but my English isn't that great. What exactly do you mean by "that"? Would you rather use the two shoeboxes worth of spawn or the ten cakes?
Edited by Fungi edimus (04/30/20 01:16 PM)
|
A.k.a
Stranger



Registered: 10/27/19
Posts: 16,782
Loc: Gaming the system
Last seen: 4 hours, 5 minutes
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fungi edimus]
#26638994 - 04/30/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I like shoeboxes better than cakes.
--------------------
LAGM2020     
|
sh4d0ws
LSx


Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 12,086
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fungi edimus]
#26639046 - 04/30/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
You could make shoeboxes using the coir and the cakes, probably up your yield but not necessarily.
I prefer shoeboxes too but if you are trying for just personal mushrooms and are familiar with cakes, it might be better to at least fruit a couple as cakes. Maybe try a shoebox as well.
I used to use cheese grater to grind my PF cakes up for spawning to coir...worked really well
|
Fungi edimus
Stranger
Registered: 04/30/20
Posts: 8
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fungi edimus] 1
#26639188 - 04/30/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Good, many thanks to you guys! I thought about using this tek: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26043820
It seems to be easy and it brings me to the results. I will read a lot tomorrow and then I'll decide and see!
|
Inthepit
Aum Mani Padme Hum



Registered: 08/20/19
Posts: 1,742
Loc: Puerto Rico
Last seen: 14 days, 1 hour
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fungi edimus] 1
#26639270 - 04/30/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
SFF Shoebox Factory Beginner TekQuote:
Fungi edimus said: Good, many thanks to you guys! I thought about using this tek: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26043820
It seems to be easy and it brings me to the results. I will read a lot tomorrow and then I'll decide and see! 
Yup, that's the TEK I've been using.  SFF Shoebox Factory Beginner Tek
Edited by Inthepit (05/01/20 04:47 AM)
|
Inthepit
Aum Mani Padme Hum



Registered: 08/20/19
Posts: 1,742
Loc: Puerto Rico
Last seen: 14 days, 1 hour
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit] 1
#26640669 - 05/01/20 07:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
My first G2G from first LI!  I couldn't handle flipping the SAB over, mebbe my holes are too high.
 
I had to dig oats/myc out with that green tool from Presta. I don't know how youz guyz get such loose myc, but mine has been like cement and I have to cut it up. Perhaps I go a bit paste 100% colonization? Yes I did take the jar out to the garage and beat the shit out of it onna tire, or is it tyre. LOL
|
Munchauzen


Registered: 06/22/11
Posts: 14,342
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#26640678 - 05/01/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Contaminants make it difficult to break apart. Healthy myc should break apart easily from shaking.
|
Inthepit
Aum Mani Padme Hum



Registered: 08/20/19
Posts: 1,742
Loc: Puerto Rico
Last seen: 14 days, 1 hour
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
#26640767 - 05/01/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Munchauzen said: Contaminants make it difficult to break apart. Healthy myc should break apart easily from shaking.
Oh dear! Thanks Munchauzen , still got a lotta growin todo for sterile technique!
|
Fungi edimus
Stranger
Registered: 04/30/20
Posts: 8
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
|
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fungi edimus]
#26640824 - 05/01/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Sadly I have to change plans because you apparently need a PC for bulk / shoeboxes and in Europe suitable PCs are hard to find. So I'll probably stick to PF cakes in a HC - it's my first grow so any experience is good
Edited by Fungi edimus (05/01/20 09:05 AM)
|
|