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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Infinity-25]
#26565420 - 03/29/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you go the hole saw route it works best if you do it in reverse and let it melt through rather than cut through, less chance of cracks
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26565431 - 03/29/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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dear fellers i have some questions regarding some exotics ;
i friend gave me some tampanensis and galindoi , which i didn't think i was gonna fruit i just wanted the stones , changed my mind and now grain is ready , any leads on how to make tamp and galindoi tubs or marthas are recommended ?
also , same story but with scletoria ( i think ) that my friend brought back from amsterdam called atlantis and valhalla , both on grain too , any ideas ?
if fruited , they can be dried and stored ? or go for the stones is better?
thanks
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26565495 - 03/29/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I’ve never successfully fruited stone producers. But spawn to bulk like any other cube and apply a casing layer. If you don’t get fruits, you’ll have a tub full of stones. Either way, it’s a win
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TranscendingLife said: I’ve never successfully fruited stone producers. But spawn to bulk like any other cube and apply a casing layer. If you don’t get fruits, you’ll have a tub full of stones. Either way, it’s a win 
nice , i like that thought
and , potency wise , i've read some debate , but is it known what's the most potent ? valhalla , tamp, atlantis or galindoi ?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26565579 - 03/29/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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This https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13431948/page/1
And this https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13558505
As far as potency goes, you’re never going to get a straight answer. The best way to get a general idea is to look into the test charts for psilocybin and psilocin containing mushrooms.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26565705 - 03/29/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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dmppb said: dear fellers i have some questions regarding some exotics ;
i friend gave me some tampanensis and galindoi , which i didn't think i was gonna fruit i just wanted the stones , changed my mind and now grain is ready , any leads on how to make tamp and galindoi tubs or marthas are recommended ?
also , same story but with scletoria ( i think ) that my friend brought back from amsterdam called atlantis and valhalla , both on grain too , any ideas ?
if fruited , they can be dried and stored ? or go for the stones is better?
thanks

I have some tamps fruiting now, the damn uneven pinset and tall delicate fruits make harvesting a bitch tho. Some ready to harvest, 99% still growing and easily damaged by harvesting the mature ones

All truffle producers are the same species, psilocybe Mexicana. Potency is going to be more strain specific than race specific, just like with cubes. Ime Mexicana fruits are AT LEAST 2x the potency of good cubes, maybe 5x shitty cubes. Strong little fuckers
I've never heard of Valhalla but I've fruited all the rest you mentioned. I have a super potent tamp isolate that is more like acid than mushrooms imo
Depending on how much spawn you have, I would g2g and make a ton more, set some jars aside for truffles and fruit some bags. Rye makes best truffles for me. I have a galandoi isolate that makes stones in like 6 days lol..
Easiest way is to case straight grain. I like using jiffy mix and sand (a la mycolorado) The above pics are 11 days after spawning. With bulk sub it can take a lot longer, but cased grain can be fast af. You can do straight grain, coir, manure and/or straw no problem. They even love a bit of paper.
They like a ton of FAE and surface evaporation. Gh is ideal but I usually jusfIdo shoeboxes or tubs. It took me a while to learn how to do that right, first few attempts ended with straw-like 3 inch aborts. Gotta be just right to get the caps to open up , otherwise they just stay enoki-like. Took practice to actually get mature fruits that are printable
I love Mexicana fruits, they are my favorite. Low yields tho. You can dry and store them no problem, same with truffles (though lots of people say truffles lose potency pretty fast, idk about that tho)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26565749 - 03/29/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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They look lovely c10...what temps do they like to fruit at?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smoothcat]
#26565882 - 03/29/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I try to keep em between 73 and 76. I saw a chart somewhere that says their performance falls off pretty sharply after 76-78 but cant verify that personally since I always keep em in the 73-76 range
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26566127 - 03/29/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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dmppb said: dear fellers i have some questions regarding some exotics ;
i friend gave me some tampanensis and galindoi , which i didn't think i was gonna fruit i just wanted the stones , changed my mind and now grain is ready , any leads on how to make tamp and galindoi tubs or marthas are recommended ?
also , same story but with scletoria ( i think ) that my friend brought back from amsterdam called atlantis and valhalla , both on grain too , any ideas ?
if fruited , they can be dried and stored ? or go for the stones is better?
thanks

I have some tamps fruiting now, the damn uneven pinset and tall delicate fruits make harvesting a bitch tho. Some ready to harvest, 99% still growing and easily damaged by harvesting the mature ones

All truffle producers are the same species, psilocybe Mexicana. Potency is going to be more strain specific than race specific, just like with cubes. Ime Mexicana fruits are AT LEAST 2x the potency of good cubes, maybe 5x shitty cubes. Strong little fuckers
I've never heard of Valhalla but I've fruited all the rest you mentioned. I have a super potent tamp isolate that is more like acid than mushrooms imo
Depending on how much spawn you have, I would g2g and make a ton more, set some jars aside for truffles and fruit some bags. Rye makes best truffles for me. I have a galandoi isolate that makes stones in like 6 days lol..
Easiest way is to case straight grain. I like using jiffy mix and sand (a la mycolorado) The above pics are 11 days after spawning. With bulk sub it can take a lot longer, but cased grain can be fast af. You can do straight grain, coir, manure and/or straw no problem. They even love a bit of paper.
They like a ton of FAE and surface evaporation. Gh is ideal but I usually jusfIdo shoeboxes or tubs. It took me a while to learn how to do that right, first few attempts ended with straw-like 3 inch aborts. Gotta be just right to get the caps to open up , otherwise they just stay enoki-like. Took practice to actually get mature fruits that are printable
I love Mexicana fruits, they are my favorite. Low yields tho. You can dry and store them no problem, same with truffles (though lots of people say truffles lose potency pretty fast, idk about that tho)
thanks man , such good explanation , i think your shoebox looks real good and in 11 days ! dang
i guess i'll go with straight cased grain for my first try , can CVG work for casing ? can't get jiffy mix here ; also i'm thinking of a perforated a la pasty dubbed shoebox , i think i can maintain good conditions easily in it , do they need a lot more fae than cubes ? more evap ?
i have a couple of good plates of each variety already in my fridge and a couple more to play with so fuck yeah i'll make more spawn and never stop ! , tomorrow is slurry in a hurry day i'll try it with a tamp plate and see what happens ,
thanks again
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26566176 - 03/29/20 10:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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no Tamps are a separate species from Mexicana
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26566257 - 03/29/20 11:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anytime, glad to help 
That setup should work fine, I dubtubbed em for a long time in a similar manner
Cvg should work fine as a casing, but you could also try to find peat and make a standard 50/50+ casing with peat and verm. Tamps also seem to like a little sand in the casing so I been mixing jiffy and sand 50/50 this time around.
Yeah they seem to need a lot more fae and surface evap than cubes, to fully mature. It's easy to get the straw-like fruits with enoki caps but takes a little finessing to get them to fully mature into something printable
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cronicr said: no Tamps are a separate species from Mexicana
Thanks for correcting me! Definitely dont want to be repeating incorrect info. I just remember seeing people say that all truffle producers are Mexicana , but ofc you are right
Looks like they have shorter basidia than the mexicanas. Is galandoi mexicana? How many separate truffle producing species are there?
Besides the spore differences and shape differences, are there any other significant differences between tamps and other truffle producers? Potency, requirements, etc? I've always handled them the same
I see Guzman described tamps as a potential intermediate form between mexicana and caerulescens. Any reports of caerulescens forming stones? I see it mentioned as one in wikipedia referencing the Guzman description of tamps but dont see it in the actual source document
Sorry for the barrage of questions, I just want to straighten out my misunderstanding before I repeat something inaccurate again
Thanks
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26566277 - 03/30/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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galindoi is a weird circumstance, the original holotype is Psilocybe Mexicana so it is just Mexicana, however what we have in circulation came back as tamps lol. tamps tend to make bigger better yielding stones and Mex fruits better but pretty similar
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26566287 - 03/30/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Interesting.. thanks
what about caerulescens, any reports of it actually producing stones?
If not (I've never seen it), is it safe to say all the psychedelic truffle producers are either mexicana or tamp varieties?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26566329 - 03/30/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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c10h12n2o said: Interesting.. thanks
what about caerulescens, any reports of it actually producing stones?
If not (I've never seen it), is it safe to say all the psychedelic truffle producers are either mexicana or tamp varieties?
pseudo stones but I've never seen it, yes either Mex or tamps
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26566338 - 03/30/20 12:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cool, thanks for clarifying
What about Conocybe cyanopus (smithii)?
I see a few people saying they make stones, and a 15yr old post saying they are very potent, but I cant find any grows or any proof (or even any spores)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26566349 - 03/30/20 01:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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yes also falls under pseudo as does panaeolus cinctulus cyanescens Psilocybe semilanceata these balls of mycelium are not true stones and not worth trying to grow for harvest
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26566685 - 03/30/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anyone have any hotplate recommendations?
I am looking at these 2 based of my search results here
Option 1

Option 2
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#26566696 - 03/30/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I can't see the links because of the proxy servers. But I love my Cadco Hot plate.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
#26566700 - 03/30/20 07:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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both are Cadco, I placed pictures under the links would you recommend one over the other? the prices is comparable $115 vs $145
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