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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#26557796 - 03/25/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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LC is fastest way imo. Scales best with least work and lag time (waiting for grain masters to colonize)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26557810 - 03/25/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can just go agar to 32 quart jars. They will be done in 3 weeks max, maybe a little sooner. You only need 8 clean plates. LC might be about the same amount of time, but its gonna be a little more risky. All you eggs are in one basket and its harder to get a clean LC.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickyswamps]
#26558011 - 03/25/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Peace to everyone here, I am a new member. I am happy to be part of this community of Explorers. I am a student of Baba Kilindi and have been practicing the ancestors rituals of heroic dosage for a little while now, using the PF Tek. Recently during my last grow I sterilized my jars, inoculated them, and then realized that I had forgotten to add the extra vermiculite layer. I went back and opened the jars quickly and added the vermiculite and then re-sealed them.
Does any one else have experience doing this, and were you able to prevent contamination? Or, is it a lost cause?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickyswamps] 1
#26558012 - 03/25/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah definitely riskier if you dont have your clean tek on point, eggs in one basket. I dont think I've had an lc contam in 10 yrs, though I'm kinda rediculous with my clean tek
But lc is way faster than waiting on all that a2g, especially taking tiny cuts from same dish
3-7 days to make LC, 4-8 days for lc to colonize jars. Best case, you could have fruits sooner than it would take that many tiny a2gs finish colonizing
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26558150 - 03/26/20 12:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I make twin culture and use one for LC and 1 for grains as back up. I have loads of half quart jars ready. Slower but only by a week or so.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26558391 - 03/26/20 05:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sounds like most would go the LC route, I like the A2G backup Edmunter.
I am getting about 12 days on my LC before full colonization on grain. I have been free pouring so idk how many ml per quart.
That and I always feel on oats that the myc is a bit thin and give it another day or so to see if it thickens up (not in a bacterial way if that makes sense)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#26558491 - 03/26/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well I wish Ted would comment, I have a quote from him which is a very different technique, but I don't want to step on any toes! So...is there a favorite LC TEK? Definitely jonesing to try it now.
Edited by Inthepit (03/26/20 07:05 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#26558499 - 03/26/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Inthepit said: Well I wish Ted would comment
Just call for him 
I am using mushboys ratios atm here in making liquid culture which is 1 gram nutes to 250ml H20
but in smaller half pint jars cause..I wanted to I went about .5 LME : 150 ml H20
I like pouring from media bottles the best tho so far
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#26558505 - 03/26/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey cam, I know I’m not who you wanna hear from but I’ve done a 45 qt run just using agar. LI or LC IS probably the quickest way but if you get a 200 qt sab you can do ten jars at a time just usin clean agar. 4 sab sessions max. If you’re dead set on usin LI then, if I were you, I’d just go spend 10 or so bucks on a bigger sab to bring the amount of time spent in said sab down to a reasonable amount. Only a couple says to go about it really
If you’ve got solid LC/LI experience it shouldn’t be a problem but with a properly timed shakes agar is quick enough, for me anyways.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
#26558539 - 03/26/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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jbgtaa said: Hey cam, I know I’m not who you wanna hear from
I value all the input man, including yours
A2G has been painfully slow for me, I started with tiger dropping pastyplates to blenderless LI and have moved over to LC since.
Im not sure what size my SAB is, I could pry do 10, 8 fits comfortably in a curve shape and I pour left to right

pic of SAB for reference, don't have a pic of it loaded like described
@jbgtaa, what were your colonization times on those?
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Edited by Camera93 (03/26/20 07:53 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#26558695 - 03/26/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I’m getting similar times with lc, at least 10 days. But I’m pretty sure it’s from being too wet. Try prepping a little drier and using less lc, I poured mine too but just marked off the ml level.
I used kind of a lot of lc but a little really goes a long way. I always amazed me how all of a sudden the entire jar would go white.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26558721 - 03/26/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: I’m getting similar times with lc, at least 10 days. But I’m pretty sure it’s from being too wet. Try prepping a little drier and using less lc, I poured mine too but just marked off the ml level.
I used kind of a lot of lc but a little really goes a long way. I always amazed me how all of a sudden the entire jar would go white.
I think you have a good point, I know it has been faster on WBS for me and I have that grain prep down a lot better then my oats
I am just so impatient with the oats the dry off time
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#26558745 - 03/26/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Camera93 said:
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A.k.a said: I’m getting similar times with lc, at least 10 days. But I’m pretty sure it’s from being too wet. Try prepping a little drier and using less lc, I poured mine too but just marked off the ml level.
I used kind of a lot of lc but a little really goes a long way. I always amazed me how all of a sudden the entire jar would go white.
I think you have a good point, I know it has been faster on WBS for me and I have that grain prep down a lot better then my oats
I am just so impatient with the oats the dry off time
Do you rinse the oats after simmer/boiling?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26558756 - 03/26/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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gizmo1 said: Do you rinse the oats after simmer/boiling?
No, I just bring a large pot to a boil, dump in the oats and let it go till they not white in center. like 30 mins before I start seeing burst grain.
then I dump them into a strainer for a few mins, shaking off excess water and lay them out on a window screen with fans on them for another hour or so till I get tired of waiting.
Load and PC, and usually use them about 4 days later
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#26558769 - 03/26/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Camera93 said:
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gizmo1 said: Do you rinse the oats after simmer/boiling?
No, I just bring a large pot to a boil, dump in the oats and let it go till they not white in center. like 30 mins before I start seeing burst grain.
then I dump them into a strainer for a few mins, shaking off excess water and lay them out on a window screen with fans on them for another hour or so till I get tired of waiting.
Load and PC, and usually use them about 4 days later
I have never looked back after using millet and now ive found red millet which shows up contamination really we I wont use anything else.
 inoculated on 21st...........
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#26558837 - 03/26/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Camera93 said:
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gizmo1 said: Do you rinse the oats after simmer/boiling?
No, I just bring a large pot to a boil, dump in the oats and let it go till they not white in center. like 30 mins before I start seeing burst grain.
then I dump them into a strainer for a few mins, shaking off excess water and lay them out on a window screen with fans on them for another hour or so till I get tired of waiting.
Load and PC, and usually use them about 4 days later
Ok was gonna suggest to either skip cold water rinse or rinse with boiling water to get starches off but you got that down already, and damn 4 days that sucls man I'd consider switching grains if its taking thay long to dry your oats. When i use oats I dry 24hrs maximum and they were coming out really good if I take my sweet ass time on the PC cycle but really wet if I brought it up or down too fast.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26558851 - 03/26/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Edmunter said:
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Camera93 said:
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gizmo1 said: Do you rinse the oats after simmer/boiling?
No, I just bring a large pot to a boil, dump in the oats and let it go till they not white in center. like 30 mins before I start seeing burst grain.
then I dump them into a strainer for a few mins, shaking off excess water and lay them out on a window screen with fans on them for another hour or so till I get tired of waiting.
Load and PC, and usually use them about 4 days later
I have never looked back after using millet and now ive found red millet which shows up contamination really we I wont use anything else.
 inoculated on 21st...........
damn it ed ; now you 're making me want to return to millet , i remember having good results with half red half white millet , it's just that it's 4 times the price of wheat S :
i think i'm just getting the real hold of wheat , but sometimes i feel it could be easier with some other grains ;
also , it has helped a lot washing it before and after with dish soap and some lime , it removes the slimy shit leaving your kernels a lot cleaner , i know it sounds like a lot of work but those 3 extra minutes are worth it , maybe it's just my dirty ass wheat supplier but it works for me ;
what you guys think ?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#26558867 - 03/26/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Camera93 said:
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jbgtaa said: Hey cam, I know I’m not who you wanna hear from
I value all the input man, including yours
A2G has been painfully slow for me, I started with tiger dropping pastyplates to blenderless LI and have moved over to LC since.
Im not sure what size my SAB is, I could pry do 10, 8 fits comfortably in a curve shape and I pour left to right

pic of SAB for reference, don't have a pic of it loaded like described
@jbgtaa, what were your colonization times on those?
I usually get about 13 days if I shake around the time that I have a half dollar sized growth from the agar. I’ve got a really solid shake method down though (breaking the growth up and then turn the jar end over end, smacking the jar down on my hand every 360 degrees) if the culture is dirty is slows down a bit, but I’m usually spawning a jar no more than 14 days after inoculating. I usually use an eighth of a plate per jar.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#26558906 - 03/26/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Camera93 said: From A to B how would you get there?
32 quart jars of spawn is the end goal, using a Presto 23qt and SAB
I just want to take in your guys way of going about it to give me more pathways to mull over in my constant daydreaming of my own process.
I can really only noc up 8 jars at a time in the SAB.
options:
- LC -> 8qts repeat 4x
- A2G Pint masters -> G2G 1:4 8x
- LI to Pint master -> G2G 1:4 8x
- LI to quarts using 7 plates to make 7 LI 1:5
not a better, best question as all I would guess have their pros and cons. Just wanna hear your input

Ok, I think I have permission. I just want to add a different route;
From: TedsDead maybe use my take on that and combine it with eats LI blender tek to really mix/speed things up?
Quote: Hi Ted, Can I quote you: "I never try to isolate to mono with ms. I get 2 transfers away from the germ plate and drop everything that's on the plate and let ‘em compete in the jar to see what I get. You get more possibilities with less work that way" -Ted
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
#26558918 - 03/26/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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@jbgtaa - with that timeline you're right, that is very comparable to mine with LC. I do think tho with some more effort on my part in grain prep and some control with how much LC I use, I could see much faster returns. are you using a softer agar recipe by chance too?
@dmppd - that 1st LI jar is the type of thin growth I was referring to I usually give it a day or 2 more from there to be sure its ready looking good tho, I love the way the myc grows out from A2G I have to admit
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gizmo1 said: When i use oats I dry 24hrs maximum and they were coming out really good if I take my sweet ass time on the PC cycle but really wet if I brought it up or down too fast.
I mean I use the sterilized jars about 4 days after PC just cause I have limited time for cult work so it gets spread out thru the week. I don't do it on purpose or to workaround my poor prep.
I see your post Inthepit as I am finishing this one, can you link Easts LI tek being referenced? is it the slurry in a hurry? I really need to get an oyster blender and mod some lids....
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