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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tombosley8]
    #23941293 - 12/19/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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1:2
More surface area more shrooms yo



not really sure how surface area has a role in that but I also want to ask is which is better a 1:2 at 2" depth or a 1:1 at 3" depth?

I have 1 qt of spawn that I'd wish to test and some small tupperware containers are all I have to put it in.
Note the 3" 1:1 sub has much less surface area as it is in a much smaller container




A 1:2 2" depth would inevitably have a much larger surface area than a 1:1 3 inch depth... go with the 1:2


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ComebackKid] * 1
    #23941313 - 12/19/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Surface area doesn't matter.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MudaFuka] * 1
    #23941354 - 12/19/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If he top fruited the spawn jar he would likely see less pins out the top of the jar than if he spawned it to a tub. No?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ComebackKid] * 1
    #23941414 - 12/19/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

More surface area more shrooms!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tripo3]
    #23941445 - 12/19/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Surface area doesn't matter.




:imwithstupid:

Too much surface area = faster loss of moisture and more fruits to supply with water. Hence why some many people make posts about how small their fruits are. They don't understand that water supply is critical for a yield.

Fewer pins with greater water supply and more nutes grow into massive fruits. It's a balance and until you understand that, you will never be able to make the most of either the massive surface area or the small.

Muda could tell y'all a thing about surface area, dude been fruiting monos on both sides for ages.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23941533 - 12/19/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)


Here's some surface area for you. Cambo bulk sub propped up on its side so 5 sides can fruit. Looks cool but yields are no better than average for these genetics.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MudaFuka]
    #23941540 - 12/19/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Dude that's amazing!!
I can barely tell where one mushroom ends and another begins


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23941543 - 12/19/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Dude that's amazing!!




Except read his post. It's really not any better of a yield. Yield is more about genetics and water management than fruiting area.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23941552 - 12/19/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I get that. But saying surface area doesn't matter at all? Cmon. You ain't getting a yield like that out the top of a mason jar, are you?
I know it's an extreme example but for arguments sake

Obviously there are many more factors at play


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23941567 - 12/19/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not? I get 20-30 grams dry first flush from one of these. Assuming a 66 quart mono with 5 quarts spawn and 10 quarts sub gets 10 oz first flush, these outperform that most of the time.



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23941575 - 12/19/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Are you fucking kidding me??
:breakthrough:

Boy do I got some work to do


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23941584 - 12/19/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah man. I've fruited tons of subs like this or on wire GH shelves so all 6 sides can fruit. Not once did it improve yields. All it the only difference in performance was the fact that I had to work much harder to keep them hydrated.

On the flip side my bottles gave verry little surface area but tend to give me at least 50% better yields than the same amount of substrate in a mono tub.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MudaFuka]
    #23941597 - 12/19/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Okay so let me pick yoyr brain since we're in the appropriate thread :lol:
Why do you bother spawning jars when you're getting better results top fruiting?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23941605 - 12/19/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Those aren't top fruited grain jars. They are a mix of grain and bulk. I've got a tek in my sig. Pasty has a similar tek using flower and straw.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kenetic]
    #23941609 - 12/19/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)



kool got it about right for my 1 qt spawn test. thanks everyone for clarifying that.

Love your bottle tek muda! That is what really made me realize how unimportant surface area really is.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MudaFuka]
    #23941616 - 12/19/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You guys fuckin rock. Gunna check that shit out. Thanks:rockon:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23941684 - 12/19/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:grampofapproval:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MudaFuka]
    #23941706 - 12/19/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Damn. I found a pasture full of desiccated horse poo. It looks like i will be forced to attempt a bulk grow. :stoned:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PlantManBee]
    #23941754 - 12/19/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Damn. I found a pasture full of desiccated horse poo. It looks like i will be forced to attempt a bulk grow. :stoned:




I thought the same thing when I drove by a pet store last week. . .


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23941776 - 12/19/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:lmafo:


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